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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 4046013" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>The "new" Ukrainian gov't and the way it came to be started a civil war in the East of Ukraine that raged on since 2014 or so...Zelinsy continued this policy when he was elected. Russia among other things requested this to stop as it was happening right on their border and 10's of thousands of ethnic Russians have died as well as Ukrainians in that conflict before the invasion ever occurred.</p><p></p><p>I don't have to be a sellout to point out that if Russian went to Canada and sponsored a coup and installed a Russian friendly new Canadian gov't, which then started a civil war on our Norther border between pro US and pro Russian Canadians, that lasted for years, that we would not intervene in some way. You and I both know this is true.</p><p></p><p>The facts are all that matter...If I go to a bar and an acquaintance there starts a fight, I am not going to die to defend him...If he is attacked unprovoked, then he might have more of my sympathies and willingness to act.</p><p></p><p>Obama refused to arm Ukraine because he didn't want to escalate tensions with Russia...Trump came in and gave them heavy weapons which escalated tensions with Russia. Now Trump is 100% alone in calling for a peace deal and Obama's VP is now escalating and giving heavy weapons to Ukraine. That is what you call chaotic leadership and an upside down world...just sayin'</p><p></p><p>I was 100% against the invasion and I think the USA could lead by honoring our promises of the past to Russia as well as trying to get a peace deal of some kind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 4046013, member: 24531"] The "new" Ukrainian gov't and the way it came to be started a civil war in the East of Ukraine that raged on since 2014 or so...Zelinsy continued this policy when he was elected. Russia among other things requested this to stop as it was happening right on their border and 10's of thousands of ethnic Russians have died as well as Ukrainians in that conflict before the invasion ever occurred. I don't have to be a sellout to point out that if Russian went to Canada and sponsored a coup and installed a Russian friendly new Canadian gov't, which then started a civil war on our Norther border between pro US and pro Russian Canadians, that lasted for years, that we would not intervene in some way. You and I both know this is true. The facts are all that matter...If I go to a bar and an acquaintance there starts a fight, I am not going to die to defend him...If he is attacked unprovoked, then he might have more of my sympathies and willingness to act. Obama refused to arm Ukraine because he didn't want to escalate tensions with Russia...Trump came in and gave them heavy weapons which escalated tensions with Russia. Now Trump is 100% alone in calling for a peace deal and Obama's VP is now escalating and giving heavy weapons to Ukraine. That is what you call chaotic leadership and an upside down world...just sayin' I was 100% against the invasion and I think the USA could lead by honoring our promises of the past to Russia as well as trying to get a peace deal of some kind. [/QUOTE]
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