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<blockquote data-quote="Ahall" data-source="post: 3709687" data-attributes="member: 49426"><p>I took my first deer with a 94 that had a 16 inch barrel, of course it was a lot newer than yours.</p><p></p><p>1907, That should have the model number on the tang. </p><p>The guns made prior to 1936 are even more desirable than just a pre 64 gun.</p><p></p><p>First, double check that barrel length. </p><p>Those laws defining minimum barrel length were passed in the 1930's, and Winchester did make some stuff with barrels under 16 inches before that.</p><p>16 inches from the face of the closed breach to the muzzle is minimum to be legal without a tax stamp or some other exemption.</p><p>Just put a cleaning rod down the barrel with the breach closed and the hammer cocked (you don't want to measure firing pin stick out). Mark the rod with something that leaves a fine mark, and then measure the rod to the mark. </p><p></p><p>If its under 16 inches don't freak out, and don't brag about it.</p><p>Find someone knowledgeable about class 3 guns and old Winchesters.</p><p>Some are exempt because of age and others require a tax stamp. </p><p>You may have a desirable piece if you can get the right paperwork in place. </p><p>If you don't handle it correctly its potentially prison time. </p><p>Until your sure its legal, (16 or more, or has some other exemption), not much point in putting any effort into it.</p><p></p><p>Once you past that hurdle, and chances are you will be with a careful measurement, its time to think about parts.</p><p></p><p>One that early is a little different than the ones made today. Many parts made after 1964 are just not right for your gun. </p><p>The average smith will just put in what is available to get the gun running and not sweat the fine detail.</p><p>If its in decent shape (good wood, most of the original bluing), and not just your average beat up old brown gun (which are still cool), you need to do a little homework and find someone who knows old Winchesters. A good one is worth putting some extra effort into. Collectors want everything to be correct for the serial number range of the gun, and the overall condition of the gun. A lot of parts have subtle variations depending on when they were produced, others never changed. Parts will interchange and the gun will function with most of the variations, but if you have a gun with obviously replaced parts and its far less interesting to collectors. </p><p></p><p>Winchester Lever Actions Vol.III 1894 & 1895 (<a href="http://www.northcapepubs.com/#anchor1476585" target="_blank">North Cape Publications</a>) is a reasonably priced reference book for that model and covers all the little differences you may care about. It will also tell you if a part was used on other models, many screws and other small parts were used on many different models.</p><p></p><p> If you just want to fix a gun the big on line dealers are a good bet. If your trying to find the exact part, your on a treasure hunt. You may kick up the right stuff a a big gun show, like the BIG Tulsa show, but be ready to spend some time looking and to shell out a few extra bucks to get exactly what you want and the chance to pick it out yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahall, post: 3709687, member: 49426"] I took my first deer with a 94 that had a 16 inch barrel, of course it was a lot newer than yours. 1907, That should have the model number on the tang. The guns made prior to 1936 are even more desirable than just a pre 64 gun. First, double check that barrel length. Those laws defining minimum barrel length were passed in the 1930's, and Winchester did make some stuff with barrels under 16 inches before that. 16 inches from the face of the closed breach to the muzzle is minimum to be legal without a tax stamp or some other exemption. Just put a cleaning rod down the barrel with the breach closed and the hammer cocked (you don't want to measure firing pin stick out). Mark the rod with something that leaves a fine mark, and then measure the rod to the mark. If its under 16 inches don't freak out, and don't brag about it. Find someone knowledgeable about class 3 guns and old Winchesters. Some are exempt because of age and others require a tax stamp. You may have a desirable piece if you can get the right paperwork in place. If you don't handle it correctly its potentially prison time. Until your sure its legal, (16 or more, or has some other exemption), not much point in putting any effort into it. Once you past that hurdle, and chances are you will be with a careful measurement, its time to think about parts. One that early is a little different than the ones made today. Many parts made after 1964 are just not right for your gun. The average smith will just put in what is available to get the gun running and not sweat the fine detail. If its in decent shape (good wood, most of the original bluing), and not just your average beat up old brown gun (which are still cool), you need to do a little homework and find someone who knows old Winchesters. A good one is worth putting some extra effort into. Collectors want everything to be correct for the serial number range of the gun, and the overall condition of the gun. A lot of parts have subtle variations depending on when they were produced, others never changed. Parts will interchange and the gun will function with most of the variations, but if you have a gun with obviously replaced parts and its far less interesting to collectors. Winchester Lever Actions Vol.III 1894 & 1895 ([URL="http://www.northcapepubs.com/#anchor1476585"]North Cape Publications[/URL]) is a reasonably priced reference book for that model and covers all the little differences you may care about. It will also tell you if a part was used on other models, many screws and other small parts were used on many different models. If you just want to fix a gun the big on line dealers are a good bet. If your trying to find the exact part, your on a treasure hunt. You may kick up the right stuff a a big gun show, like the BIG Tulsa show, but be ready to spend some time looking and to shell out a few extra bucks to get exactly what you want and the chance to pick it out yourself. [/QUOTE]
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