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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1215348" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>While I understand your dissapointment at the restritive nature of the IDPA DMG rules, it will never be a high round count, run & gun sport. The intent is to balance the need for enough rounds to satisfy shooters, while keeping engagement distances and round counts relatively realistic. It's a fine line to walk. </p><p></p><p>People focus on the "P" in IDPA, when the "D" reigns king. The capacity restrictions do level the playing field between a 5 shot Mossberg 500 HD and a tricked out 10 shot Winchester SX3. That's on purpose. More people have the 500 HD behind the door than those with the SX3. IDPA was never intended to be about catering to the Masters & Grand Masters (or those aspiring to be one). It's the everyman's sport that doesn't penalize the Marksman or Sharpshooter on a limited budget. </p><p></p><p>We all know that the high end gear will still outrun the vanilla stuff. But how many people do you see in USPSA or Outlaw Multi-Gun with several thousand dollars worth of gear and a cool shirt with logos plastered all over it, who can't shoot for crap? They would be better off with a low cost used setup and spend the rest of their $$$ on training and ammo.</p><p></p><p>If we run DMG at the USSA IDPA match, it will probably start with using 6 regular pistol stages for rifle shooting after the regular pistol match is over. We'll have it set up where the pistol shooting is done up close, then the rifles will shoot from farther uprange (sort of like ladies vs. mens tees in golf). We may throw in some extra targets for the rifle shooters to get the round count up. Eighteen rounds over 6 stages would be 108 rounds after all. Max range will be 50 yards, due to the size of the MP bays at USSA and the intended "defensive" nature of the scenarios. You would be able to shoot either rifle, pistol or both. </p><p></p><p>We would charge an additional entry fee for the second run to defray the cost of extra targets (cost for the 2nd run hasn't been determined at this point). Scoring hasn't been worked out yet either. I've been wanting to do this since HQ told us about DMG, but waited until the rules had been finalized to avoid confusion about what's allowed and what's not.</p><p></p><p>If the interest is there (including helpers!), we'll move into rifle/pistol, pistol/shotgun and finally, all three. <strong>The main focus of IDPA at USSA will remain on pistols though! </strong>You will not be required to shoot a shotgun or rifle to attend IDPA matches at USSA. One thing I'd love to do is have a "Select Fire" division, but that will be at the discretion of USSA and may require full auto qual/cert by the range before you can run a select fire rifle or subgun.</p><p></p><p>If you're interested in this concept, please PM me. State whether you'd be willing to help with setup the day before the match, or after the shooting is done if any teardown is necessary (which it usually isn't). If anyone has stage designs or ideas that would fit within the DMG rules, PM those to me as well and we'll try to make it happen. Sometimes it's tough to dream this stuff up you know! <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1215348, member: 1132"] While I understand your dissapointment at the restritive nature of the IDPA DMG rules, it will never be a high round count, run & gun sport. The intent is to balance the need for enough rounds to satisfy shooters, while keeping engagement distances and round counts relatively realistic. It's a fine line to walk. People focus on the "P" in IDPA, when the "D" reigns king. The capacity restrictions do level the playing field between a 5 shot Mossberg 500 HD and a tricked out 10 shot Winchester SX3. That's on purpose. More people have the 500 HD behind the door than those with the SX3. IDPA was never intended to be about catering to the Masters & Grand Masters (or those aspiring to be one). It's the everyman's sport that doesn't penalize the Marksman or Sharpshooter on a limited budget. We all know that the high end gear will still outrun the vanilla stuff. But how many people do you see in USPSA or Outlaw Multi-Gun with several thousand dollars worth of gear and a cool shirt with logos plastered all over it, who can't shoot for crap? They would be better off with a low cost used setup and spend the rest of their $$$ on training and ammo. If we run DMG at the USSA IDPA match, it will probably start with using 6 regular pistol stages for rifle shooting after the regular pistol match is over. We'll have it set up where the pistol shooting is done up close, then the rifles will shoot from farther uprange (sort of like ladies vs. mens tees in golf). We may throw in some extra targets for the rifle shooters to get the round count up. Eighteen rounds over 6 stages would be 108 rounds after all. Max range will be 50 yards, due to the size of the MP bays at USSA and the intended "defensive" nature of the scenarios. You would be able to shoot either rifle, pistol or both. We would charge an additional entry fee for the second run to defray the cost of extra targets (cost for the 2nd run hasn't been determined at this point). Scoring hasn't been worked out yet either. I've been wanting to do this since HQ told us about DMG, but waited until the rules had been finalized to avoid confusion about what's allowed and what's not. If the interest is there (including helpers!), we'll move into rifle/pistol, pistol/shotgun and finally, all three. [B]The main focus of IDPA at USSA will remain on pistols though! [/B]You will not be required to shoot a shotgun or rifle to attend IDPA matches at USSA. One thing I'd love to do is have a "Select Fire" division, but that will be at the discretion of USSA and may require full auto qual/cert by the range before you can run a select fire rifle or subgun. If you're interested in this concept, please PM me. State whether you'd be willing to help with setup the day before the match, or after the shooting is done if any teardown is necessary (which it usually isn't). If anyone has stage designs or ideas that would fit within the DMG rules, PM those to me as well and we'll try to make it happen. Sometimes it's tough to dream this stuff up you know! :) [/QUOTE]
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