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<blockquote data-quote="Fredkrueger100" data-source="post: 3419111" data-attributes="member: 24577"><p>Again, your doing your best to find the scriptures that back up what you want to believe. There are far more that prove baptism IS essential. It is not an act of faith. It is a requirement. And before Jesus died and was resurrected he could forgive anyone he wanted to. Just like that thief on the cross. Many people always use that. It’s easy to debunk. The new covenant had yet to be established. As for John the Baptist’s baptism. It was different. But there is only ONE baptism in regards to Jesus Christ and being saved. And that is for the forgiveness of sins. But I know I’m wasting my breath. Like I’ve said before, either you and others are right and we all have heaven wrapped, or I am right and many won’t make it to heaven. I ain’t taking any chances. As I’ve also stated, this isn’t about me being right. It’s about the truth. I see many folks try harder to prove you just have to believe than they do living according to scripture. Belief is easy. Even the demons believe. So your telling me they are going to heaven? Because if baptism isn’t required then they should go to heaven. Baptism is meaningless if not done for forgiveness. Theft is no reason to “show others your faith”. Do they save you or does Jesus? And why haven’t you answered my questions about where it says that in scripture? We both know why. It’s not found anywhere in scripture. But you know what is? That we MUST be baptized to be forgiven of our sins. Jesus said it, Peter said it. </p><p></p><p>When you piece together all the scriptures on salvation and forgiveness it’s clear what we are to do. And it’s not just believe. There is nowhere that says to get baptized to show your faith to others. Baptism represents us burying our old sinful selves in the watery grave and raising a new creation, being born again. Which Jesus told Nicodemus you had to do to go to heaven. He said you have to be “born again of water and the spirit”. Then acts 2:38 says that we just confess our sins and repent of them, be baptized to be forgiven and THEN we receive the Holy Spirit. We don’t receive it any other way. I know sometimes the COC go to far with how strict they are. But most other places are far to loose. There has to be a middle ground. Far more is involved with being a Christian than just belief. Yet a great many believe that’s the ONLY requirement to go to Heaven. That is blatantly false. We are to deny ourselves and take up the cross daily and follow Jesus. That means we are to suffer for Christ and turn our backs on the world and the flesh. Which is not an easy thing to do. </p><p>As for some in the COC thinking that we are the only ones going to Heaven, that is wrong. But I can understand how some feel that way. I’ve struggled with it myself. If a congregation teaches the truth and lives according to scripture it doesn’t matter what the denomination is. Usually though, the one’s that choose names other than Churches of Christ or Churches of God, tend to not follow scripture. I mean, I why would someone name a congregation after a man? It says in scripture that there are two names for the Lords church. Churches of Christ or Churches of God. So when I see a place that has ignored that I Immediately question what they believe. If they would ignore that, they would more than likely ignore other things. Which many places do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fredkrueger100, post: 3419111, member: 24577"] Again, your doing your best to find the scriptures that back up what you want to believe. There are far more that prove baptism IS essential. It is not an act of faith. It is a requirement. And before Jesus died and was resurrected he could forgive anyone he wanted to. Just like that thief on the cross. Many people always use that. It’s easy to debunk. The new covenant had yet to be established. As for John the Baptist’s baptism. It was different. But there is only ONE baptism in regards to Jesus Christ and being saved. And that is for the forgiveness of sins. But I know I’m wasting my breath. Like I’ve said before, either you and others are right and we all have heaven wrapped, or I am right and many won’t make it to heaven. I ain’t taking any chances. As I’ve also stated, this isn’t about me being right. It’s about the truth. I see many folks try harder to prove you just have to believe than they do living according to scripture. Belief is easy. Even the demons believe. So your telling me they are going to heaven? Because if baptism isn’t required then they should go to heaven. Baptism is meaningless if not done for forgiveness. Theft is no reason to “show others your faith”. Do they save you or does Jesus? And why haven’t you answered my questions about where it says that in scripture? We both know why. It’s not found anywhere in scripture. But you know what is? That we MUST be baptized to be forgiven of our sins. Jesus said it, Peter said it. When you piece together all the scriptures on salvation and forgiveness it’s clear what we are to do. And it’s not just believe. There is nowhere that says to get baptized to show your faith to others. Baptism represents us burying our old sinful selves in the watery grave and raising a new creation, being born again. Which Jesus told Nicodemus you had to do to go to heaven. He said you have to be “born again of water and the spirit”. Then acts 2:38 says that we just confess our sins and repent of them, be baptized to be forgiven and THEN we receive the Holy Spirit. We don’t receive it any other way. I know sometimes the COC go to far with how strict they are. But most other places are far to loose. There has to be a middle ground. Far more is involved with being a Christian than just belief. Yet a great many believe that’s the ONLY requirement to go to Heaven. That is blatantly false. We are to deny ourselves and take up the cross daily and follow Jesus. That means we are to suffer for Christ and turn our backs on the world and the flesh. Which is not an easy thing to do. As for some in the COC thinking that we are the only ones going to Heaven, that is wrong. But I can understand how some feel that way. I’ve struggled with it myself. If a congregation teaches the truth and lives according to scripture it doesn’t matter what the denomination is. Usually though, the one’s that choose names other than Churches of Christ or Churches of God, tend to not follow scripture. I mean, I why would someone name a congregation after a man? It says in scripture that there are two names for the Lords church. Churches of Christ or Churches of God. So when I see a place that has ignored that I Immediately question what they believe. If they would ignore that, they would more than likely ignore other things. Which many places do. [/QUOTE]
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