Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
Latest activity
Classifieds
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Log in
Register
What's New?
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More Options
Advertise with us
Contact Us
Close Menu
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Forums
The Water Cooler
General Discussion
It's high time for a video of a great cop
Search titles only
By:
Reply to Thread
This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1584870" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>Now where have I heard that before? <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As SPD67 states, a Terry stop frisk is warranted anytime there's reasonable suspicion that a subject "may" be committing a crime, not "is". It was perfectly reasonable for the officer in question to stop the subject, disarm him for the duration of the contact and release him with his property once a determination was made that no crime was committed. </p><p></p><p>It would be interesting to examine the laws of states where loaded OC is legal to see if they have restrictions on officers investigating persons with holstered handguns, absent any other suspicious indicators. Say, something similar to Oklahoma's restriction on "examining" SDA permit holders handguns. </p><p></p><p>It seems interesting to me that pretty much everyone in this thread agrees that the officer did a good job, that the subject was trying to catch an officer exceeding their authority, that he was at least willing to post his results, regardless of whether it went the way he though it would, and that it's a good idea to at least make contact with a person openly carrying a gun under circumstances where a reasonable person would not reasonably expect it. Excuse me if I've taken liberties with your personal opinion in this statement, but why do we have 7 pages of argument over the concept itself?</p><p></p><p>As for my opinion, if holstered OC was a legal and accepted norm in the community I worked in, I would not contact people on the street absent any other suspicion. If anyone asked me to, I'd politely explain the legality of open carry and why I was declining to do so.</p><p></p><p>If it was legal, but not an accepted norm, I'd probably make contact, have a hopefully reasonable dialogue with the person just like we witnessed in the video, and both of us could then go on our merry ways. I'd follow the legally proscribed protocols for the contact in doing so by the way.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of whether you feel OC should be legal and no one should question it, we don't live in that realm. LEO's are expected to perform certain functions and they're getting paid by the community to do so. Whether they're legally bound to do it or not means little. Only what they're legally restricted from doing is critical. All other functions are at the whims of the community and the command structure. If they want officers handing out flowers on the street, well, they're paid to follow lawful commands. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Oh, and guys, PLEASE don't use me to correct others! It's just not cool, mmmmkay? <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1584870, member: 1132"] Now where have I heard that before? :) As SPD67 states, a Terry stop frisk is warranted anytime there's reasonable suspicion that a subject "may" be committing a crime, not "is". It was perfectly reasonable for the officer in question to stop the subject, disarm him for the duration of the contact and release him with his property once a determination was made that no crime was committed. It would be interesting to examine the laws of states where loaded OC is legal to see if they have restrictions on officers investigating persons with holstered handguns, absent any other suspicious indicators. Say, something similar to Oklahoma's restriction on "examining" SDA permit holders handguns. It seems interesting to me that pretty much everyone in this thread agrees that the officer did a good job, that the subject was trying to catch an officer exceeding their authority, that he was at least willing to post his results, regardless of whether it went the way he though it would, and that it's a good idea to at least make contact with a person openly carrying a gun under circumstances where a reasonable person would not reasonably expect it. Excuse me if I've taken liberties with your personal opinion in this statement, but why do we have 7 pages of argument over the concept itself? As for my opinion, if holstered OC was a legal and accepted norm in the community I worked in, I would not contact people on the street absent any other suspicion. If anyone asked me to, I'd politely explain the legality of open carry and why I was declining to do so. If it was legal, but not an accepted norm, I'd probably make contact, have a hopefully reasonable dialogue with the person just like we witnessed in the video, and both of us could then go on our merry ways. I'd follow the legally proscribed protocols for the contact in doing so by the way. Regardless of whether you feel OC should be legal and no one should question it, we don't live in that realm. LEO's are expected to perform certain functions and they're getting paid by the community to do so. Whether they're legally bound to do it or not means little. Only what they're legally restricted from doing is critical. All other functions are at the whims of the community and the command structure. If they want officers handing out flowers on the street, well, they're paid to follow lawful commands. :) Oh, and guys, PLEASE don't use me to correct others! It's just not cool, mmmmkay? :D [/QUOTE]
Insert Quotes…
Verification
Post Reply
Forums
The Water Cooler
General Discussion
It's high time for a video of a great cop
Search titles only
By:
Top
Bottom