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<blockquote data-quote="Stephen Cue" data-source="post: 1983236" data-attributes="member: 3008"><p>There is a misconception out there that bad union employees cannot be fired.</p><p></p><p>False!</p><p></p><p>The only difference between firing a union vs non-union is simply evidence and follow-through.</p><p></p><p>The union does protect people pre-firing if there is no evidence of need for dismissal.</p><p></p><p>The non-union employees protection is usually post-firing; Attorney, Labor office, etc.</p><p></p><p>Now here's the issue. If a company has just cause to fire (outside of economic layoff) then all they have to do is follow through. Thats the company's responsibility not the unions and THAT is where bad employees fail to be dismissed. </p><p></p><p>The union CANNOT save a job of an employee that needs to be fired for just cause any more than non-union, they just make the company show just cause. The company I work for fails MANY times on following through and its them that lets bad employees stay on the payroll.</p><p></p><p>Also, in most unions, promotions are based on skill and its still a union job determined by management.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stephen Cue, post: 1983236, member: 3008"] There is a misconception out there that bad union employees cannot be fired. False! The only difference between firing a union vs non-union is simply evidence and follow-through. The union does protect people pre-firing if there is no evidence of need for dismissal. The non-union employees protection is usually post-firing; Attorney, Labor office, etc. Now here's the issue. If a company has just cause to fire (outside of economic layoff) then all they have to do is follow through. Thats the company's responsibility not the unions and THAT is where bad employees fail to be dismissed. The union CANNOT save a job of an employee that needs to be fired for just cause any more than non-union, they just make the company show just cause. The company I work for fails MANY times on following through and its them that lets bad employees stay on the payroll. Also, in most unions, promotions are based on skill and its still a union job determined by management. [/QUOTE]
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