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<blockquote data-quote="dru" data-source="post: 1589377" data-attributes="member: 3047"><p>My CCW instructor told me that in the situation of witnessing a beating of someone who does not fall into the "special relationship" categories (spouse, children, immediate family, employer/employee, etc.) that it was best to just stay out of it. He also mentioned that if you just were unable to restrain yourself, to be very careful of what you were doing because you would be legally stepping into the shoes of the person you were defending.</p><p></p><p>On the second question, remember the disparity of force principle. If you are in a 1-on-1 regular fight with someone, deadly force will probably not be justified. However, if you have a "mob" attacking you and you had genuinely done nothing to provoke the attack and were in a place you were legally allowed to be would a reasonable person feel that he/she was in "imminent danger of death or great bodily harm"? That is the key phrase as I understand it in the OSDA. I would argue that in a mob situation, the answer would be yes. </p><p></p><p>In your home, you just don't have "no duty to retreat" Within your home, you operate under castle doctrine laws which are considerably stronger than when you are just out and about which correspond to the "no duty to retreat" laws aka stand your ground.</p><p></p><p>Just nitpicking here: Probably better to put this over in a more appropriate forum like the self defense and CCW forum. And what's up with the "Lemme axe you..."<img src="/images/smilies/tounge.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tounge:" title="Tounge :tounge:" data-shortname=":tounge:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dru, post: 1589377, member: 3047"] My CCW instructor told me that in the situation of witnessing a beating of someone who does not fall into the "special relationship" categories (spouse, children, immediate family, employer/employee, etc.) that it was best to just stay out of it. He also mentioned that if you just were unable to restrain yourself, to be very careful of what you were doing because you would be legally stepping into the shoes of the person you were defending. On the second question, remember the disparity of force principle. If you are in a 1-on-1 regular fight with someone, deadly force will probably not be justified. However, if you have a "mob" attacking you and you had genuinely done nothing to provoke the attack and were in a place you were legally allowed to be would a reasonable person feel that he/she was in "imminent danger of death or great bodily harm"? That is the key phrase as I understand it in the OSDA. I would argue that in a mob situation, the answer would be yes. In your home, you just don't have "no duty to retreat" Within your home, you operate under castle doctrine laws which are considerably stronger than when you are just out and about which correspond to the "no duty to retreat" laws aka stand your ground. Just nitpicking here: Probably better to put this over in a more appropriate forum like the self defense and CCW forum. And what's up with the "Lemme axe you...":tounge: [/QUOTE]
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