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<blockquote data-quote="gillman7" data-source="post: 1678252" data-attributes="member: 2784"><p>Nice distinction, most cannot separate the two. My point is the same people that want to limit their demonstrations, want free reign when the demonstration is something they agree with. Freedom is a two edged sword. The same freedom that allows you to demonstrate for OCCUPY, or Tea Party, worship in a Christian church, vote for issues, allows Fred to picket funerals, guarantee Satanic worship access to inmates, and voting against the issues you support.</p><p></p><p>The right to peacefully assemble is a inherent right. The ability to create a Public Health issue voids the right to assemble. If the OCCUPY crowd chose to peacefully protest in a civilized manner, I am all for it. I may or may not support it, but they should have the right to do so. It goes back to the example that I am free to swing my arms around until they meet up with your nose. Then I have committed assault.</p><p></p><p>That being said, I do not agree with disparity of force in dealing with a situation. We have had several instances of this in our history, and never had the outpouring of support that some of the band wagon items have had. We need to face it, the majority of the American people are comfortable. They will squeal when their comfort is threatened, but are not willing to suffer the hardship of what our forefathers faced. If Britain had won, we would laud today the hangings of those rabble rousing traitors.</p><p></p><p>Who was it that said that the Tree of Liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of Tyrants and Patriots. No one is willing to drive to a Ruby Ridge, or a Waco, and challenge the .gov when they send in troops to serve an arrest warrant in Waco. Will you be willing to take up arms against the military that we all love and appreciate their sacrifice if they come to enforce edicts? Many of us have friends on the Police forces, would you be willing to resist them? Would those of you that are officers be able to refuse an order?</p><p></p><p>This all sounds rather bizarre, but any society is just 3 days away from a revolution at any time. Remember New Orleans? It took FEMA 10 days to get a trailer of water to them in the beginning. Imagine it happening nationally. I remember about 4 ro 5 years ago in Tulsa we had an ice storm that shut off power to approx 1/2 of the city, up to 10 days. Long about the third night it was a little spooky after dark, and it was just a temporary thing.</p><p></p><p>Some people have places off the beaten path to live in the event of disaster. Some of them are self sustainable. If the .gov comes up after a National disaster, would you be willing to aquiesce to their authority? If a publicized danger is announced, and towns are being quarantined, would you willing go to a relocation truck? Do we have the right to say no? Each of us must set a boundary of what our responsibility to become civily disobedient. It is the responsibility of citizens to resist overreaching government.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gillman7, post: 1678252, member: 2784"] Nice distinction, most cannot separate the two. My point is the same people that want to limit their demonstrations, want free reign when the demonstration is something they agree with. Freedom is a two edged sword. The same freedom that allows you to demonstrate for OCCUPY, or Tea Party, worship in a Christian church, vote for issues, allows Fred to picket funerals, guarantee Satanic worship access to inmates, and voting against the issues you support. The right to peacefully assemble is a inherent right. The ability to create a Public Health issue voids the right to assemble. If the OCCUPY crowd chose to peacefully protest in a civilized manner, I am all for it. I may or may not support it, but they should have the right to do so. It goes back to the example that I am free to swing my arms around until they meet up with your nose. Then I have committed assault. That being said, I do not agree with disparity of force in dealing with a situation. We have had several instances of this in our history, and never had the outpouring of support that some of the band wagon items have had. We need to face it, the majority of the American people are comfortable. They will squeal when their comfort is threatened, but are not willing to suffer the hardship of what our forefathers faced. If Britain had won, we would laud today the hangings of those rabble rousing traitors. Who was it that said that the Tree of Liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of Tyrants and Patriots. No one is willing to drive to a Ruby Ridge, or a Waco, and challenge the .gov when they send in troops to serve an arrest warrant in Waco. Will you be willing to take up arms against the military that we all love and appreciate their sacrifice if they come to enforce edicts? Many of us have friends on the Police forces, would you be willing to resist them? Would those of you that are officers be able to refuse an order? This all sounds rather bizarre, but any society is just 3 days away from a revolution at any time. Remember New Orleans? It took FEMA 10 days to get a trailer of water to them in the beginning. Imagine it happening nationally. I remember about 4 ro 5 years ago in Tulsa we had an ice storm that shut off power to approx 1/2 of the city, up to 10 days. Long about the third night it was a little spooky after dark, and it was just a temporary thing. Some people have places off the beaten path to live in the event of disaster. Some of them are self sustainable. If the .gov comes up after a National disaster, would you be willing to aquiesce to their authority? If a publicized danger is announced, and towns are being quarantined, would you willing go to a relocation truck? Do we have the right to say no? Each of us must set a boundary of what our responsibility to become civily disobedient. It is the responsibility of citizens to resist overreaching government. [/QUOTE]
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