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<blockquote data-quote="Mad Professor" data-source="post: 3020846" data-attributes="member: 5316"><p>Clint,</p><p></p><p>I enjoyed meeting you and your wife Saturday. I’m glad you both enjoyed the match. Be careful, competitions can be addicting. I shot my first match about 2 years ago. It was also a bowing pin match.</p><p></p><p>I’m not aware of any matches that are close to you. Duke may be the closest. I haven’t been there, but I have met quite a few people that shoot there. I think you will feel right at home.</p><p></p><p>You’ve had some great responses to your thread.</p><p></p><p>1) Of the competitions mentioned, I would strongly suggest starting with a Steel Challenge. I feel it is less intimidating to new shooters than USPSA or IDPA. It takes the moving with a firearm issues out of the equation, for the most part anyhow. There is one stage that does have movement but you may or may not see it at the club match you attend. There are 8 standard stages and matches will usually have between 4 and 6 stages. Centerfire pistol is shot from the holster. The other are shot from low ready pointing at a flag or cone. These matches give you great preparation procedures and safety policies of the others. Also because the round count per string of fire is low (5 rounds w/100% hits) it usually does not require reloading while on the timer. Additionally, you shoot 5 separate strings (with one exception) of fire on each stage. You drop your worst round for the total score. This works well compared to most events where you are “one and done” on each stage and don’t have the opportunity to try it again. Rimfire pistol and rifle make this a “more” affordable sport which is easier to learn with. This sport is also the most family friendly environment support youth than any other I have attended. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The other one I recommend is GSSF (Glock Shooting Sports Foundation) indoor league matches. It is a bullseye type event shot at varying distances from 3-25 yards. With fullsize guns it is 50 rounds, with pocket sized gun it is 25 rounds (and 15 yards max). Strings of fire are 5-10 rounds usually on a par time of 15 seconds but some setups have the 30 seconds allowed for 25 yards. It is shot from the low ready and has been a very relaxed atmosphere on the matches I have shot. It is a best 2 of 3 match with plaques and prize awards based on placement and high senior, female, and youth. You have to shoot two matches to take awards, and there is a drawing for a Glock pistol. Random, and you get an chance per entry. Three divisions, stock, unlimited, and pocket. I shoot stock and unlimited with the same stock gun and have been competitive. Downsides a) you have to shoot a Glock, not an issue for most people. b) you have to join GSSF, but it comes with benefits. The magazine is nice, and the certificate to allow you to buy a Glock yearly at reduced “Blue Label” pricing is pretty sweet. There are two GSSF league matches coming up this weekend.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I also love shooting pins and really like Duncan’s format the best. You are shooting man-vs-man in a double elimination style bracket format. It changes things quite a bit when you are shooting beside someone trying to clear the pins before they do.</p><p></p><p></p><p>2) The G17 is great. I would stick with it until it becomes a limiting factor. Red Dots work well for many but they also induce problems. By themselves they will not fix fundamental shooting issue and may also hinder development of the same. For some of with vision issues, they can help when other methods fail to help. Also you want to be careful. Milling the slide to accept a Red Dot might tie you into that particular optic. I feel a better choice is to buy a Glock MOS version, a M&P C.O.R.E., or similar firearm that is optics ready. It gives you a few more options. </p><p>A trigger can limit the guns use in some associations so be careful about this and other mods. Research before you change it. In USPSA production for instance, you can make changes that are internal as long as the safeties are still intact. If you replace the exposed trigger “shoe” it places you in another class. In GSSF almost all mods internal and external will move you out of stock class. If you want one of the top of the line triggers for a Glock, I’d look at Vanek and ZEV. </p><p></p><p>3) You generally do not want to compete with a revolver against a semi. Most competitions have you competing only against revolvers. Keep in mind though, many will be competing with higher capacity revolvers cut to allow moon clips and many using 9mm. With competitions not limiting round count like steel challenge does, reloads become a very big part of it. Same with shooting a 1911 in single stack divisions. I usually recommend a newcomer to shoot USPSA in Limited with a double-stack 9mm. This takes some of the reloading (and planning of the same) out of the picture. </p><p>The scoring method is different with caliber in USPSA. There are some scoring advantages for “major” calibers, but they also require a bit more work to shoot as fast and accurately as a “minor” caliber. Basically a 9 will fall in minor and 40 and 45 will be major. All Production class (and I believe Carry optics) is shot with minor scoring regardless of what you are shooting. I feel 40 should have an advantage over 45 in some divisions because of magazine capacity.</p><p></p><p>Some really like the Canik, but you will find that in most entry level divisions, Glock and M&P will make up 80%+ of the guns being used. That G17 would be fairly easy to share in most matches with a few extra magazines. Holsters and accessories availability should play a role in your selection also. You also increase the ability to borrow from a competitor if needed. </p><p></p><p>In the bowling pin matches, the most common firearm used is the 1911 .45 though I have seen that number drop in the 2 years I’ve been shooting them. I’ll bet mainly due to newcomers that don’t already own one. The .45 is one of the top choices. I’ve shot them with .45, .40. and 9. I’m currently shooting them with a M&P .40 and have been very competitive with it this year. I feel it has an advantage over my 9, and I’m giving up little from my .45. It also feels identical to my M&P 9s I shoot 95% of the time. A perfect hit on the pin will clear it from the table with all of them. The larger calibers will clear a marginal hit pin a bit better. A miss is a miss regardless of the caliber, but you can get back on target a bit faster with a smaller caliber. </p><p></p><p>Rick</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mad Professor, post: 3020846, member: 5316"] Clint, I enjoyed meeting you and your wife Saturday. I’m glad you both enjoyed the match. Be careful, competitions can be addicting. I shot my first match about 2 years ago. It was also a bowing pin match. I’m not aware of any matches that are close to you. Duke may be the closest. I haven’t been there, but I have met quite a few people that shoot there. I think you will feel right at home. You’ve had some great responses to your thread. 1) Of the competitions mentioned, I would strongly suggest starting with a Steel Challenge. I feel it is less intimidating to new shooters than USPSA or IDPA. It takes the moving with a firearm issues out of the equation, for the most part anyhow. There is one stage that does have movement but you may or may not see it at the club match you attend. There are 8 standard stages and matches will usually have between 4 and 6 stages. Centerfire pistol is shot from the holster. The other are shot from low ready pointing at a flag or cone. These matches give you great preparation procedures and safety policies of the others. Also because the round count per string of fire is low (5 rounds w/100% hits) it usually does not require reloading while on the timer. Additionally, you shoot 5 separate strings (with one exception) of fire on each stage. You drop your worst round for the total score. This works well compared to most events where you are “one and done” on each stage and don’t have the opportunity to try it again. Rimfire pistol and rifle make this a “more” affordable sport which is easier to learn with. This sport is also the most family friendly environment support youth than any other I have attended. The other one I recommend is GSSF (Glock Shooting Sports Foundation) indoor league matches. It is a bullseye type event shot at varying distances from 3-25 yards. With fullsize guns it is 50 rounds, with pocket sized gun it is 25 rounds (and 15 yards max). Strings of fire are 5-10 rounds usually on a par time of 15 seconds but some setups have the 30 seconds allowed for 25 yards. It is shot from the low ready and has been a very relaxed atmosphere on the matches I have shot. It is a best 2 of 3 match with plaques and prize awards based on placement and high senior, female, and youth. You have to shoot two matches to take awards, and there is a drawing for a Glock pistol. Random, and you get an chance per entry. Three divisions, stock, unlimited, and pocket. I shoot stock and unlimited with the same stock gun and have been competitive. Downsides a) you have to shoot a Glock, not an issue for most people. b) you have to join GSSF, but it comes with benefits. The magazine is nice, and the certificate to allow you to buy a Glock yearly at reduced “Blue Label” pricing is pretty sweet. There are two GSSF league matches coming up this weekend. I also love shooting pins and really like Duncan’s format the best. You are shooting man-vs-man in a double elimination style bracket format. It changes things quite a bit when you are shooting beside someone trying to clear the pins before they do. 2) The G17 is great. I would stick with it until it becomes a limiting factor. Red Dots work well for many but they also induce problems. By themselves they will not fix fundamental shooting issue and may also hinder development of the same. For some of with vision issues, they can help when other methods fail to help. Also you want to be careful. Milling the slide to accept a Red Dot might tie you into that particular optic. I feel a better choice is to buy a Glock MOS version, a M&P C.O.R.E., or similar firearm that is optics ready. It gives you a few more options. A trigger can limit the guns use in some associations so be careful about this and other mods. Research before you change it. In USPSA production for instance, you can make changes that are internal as long as the safeties are still intact. If you replace the exposed trigger “shoe” it places you in another class. In GSSF almost all mods internal and external will move you out of stock class. If you want one of the top of the line triggers for a Glock, I’d look at Vanek and ZEV. 3) You generally do not want to compete with a revolver against a semi. Most competitions have you competing only against revolvers. Keep in mind though, many will be competing with higher capacity revolvers cut to allow moon clips and many using 9mm. With competitions not limiting round count like steel challenge does, reloads become a very big part of it. Same with shooting a 1911 in single stack divisions. I usually recommend a newcomer to shoot USPSA in Limited with a double-stack 9mm. This takes some of the reloading (and planning of the same) out of the picture. The scoring method is different with caliber in USPSA. There are some scoring advantages for “major” calibers, but they also require a bit more work to shoot as fast and accurately as a “minor” caliber. Basically a 9 will fall in minor and 40 and 45 will be major. All Production class (and I believe Carry optics) is shot with minor scoring regardless of what you are shooting. I feel 40 should have an advantage over 45 in some divisions because of magazine capacity. Some really like the Canik, but you will find that in most entry level divisions, Glock and M&P will make up 80%+ of the guns being used. That G17 would be fairly easy to share in most matches with a few extra magazines. Holsters and accessories availability should play a role in your selection also. You also increase the ability to borrow from a competitor if needed. In the bowling pin matches, the most common firearm used is the 1911 .45 though I have seen that number drop in the 2 years I’ve been shooting them. I’ll bet mainly due to newcomers that don’t already own one. The .45 is one of the top choices. I’ve shot them with .45, .40. and 9. I’m currently shooting them with a M&P .40 and have been very competitive with it this year. I feel it has an advantage over my 9, and I’m giving up little from my .45. It also feels identical to my M&P 9s I shoot 95% of the time. A perfect hit on the pin will clear it from the table with all of them. The larger calibers will clear a marginal hit pin a bit better. A miss is a miss regardless of the caliber, but you can get back on target a bit faster with a smaller caliber. Rick [/QUOTE]
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