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<blockquote data-quote="Billybob" data-source="post: 2552012" data-attributes="member: 1294"><p>My only point is it would seem naive to just blame Dems for wanting votes and say Reagan was suckered(plausible deniability?) when it appears Repubs wanted amnesty for their reasons also, maybe both sides are at fault. </p><p></p><p>Bush spoke of labor needs and Reagan seemed to fear monger and spoke of not talking about a fence and open borders for workers...</p><p></p><p>Candidates Reagan & Bush-41 Discuss Illegal Immigration in 1980 Debate</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixi9_cciy8w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixi9_cciy8w</a></p><p></p><p>Then he appears to change his tune...</p><p></p><p>1984 - Ronald Reagan on Amnesty </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHKIq5z80U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHKIq5z80U</a></p><p></p><p>As for today we should take a good look at our economy, ask if there is any more accountability than in the past, and learn from the past...</p><p></p><p>Failed Amnesty Legislation of 1986 Haunts the Current Immigration Bills in Congress, May 23, 2006</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/washington/23amnesty.html?pagewanted=all" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/washington/23amnesty.html?pagewanted=all</a></p><p></p><p>Reagan/Bush Amnesty Agenda an Economic Catastrophe for Minorities and Legal Immigrants, 08/15/2012</p><p></p><p>We all know the consequences of this first great amnesty bill and those that followed: millions more illegal immigrants were lured into the U.S. in hopes of future amnesties (many to agonizing deaths in the desert), flooding the unskilled labor pool and reducing minorities and legal immigrants to poverty and economic desperation. Meanwhile, to no one's surprise, border security was neglected, and Big Business, in the pursuit of cheap labor and high profits, vigorously resisted all attempts at immigration job enforcement, particularly any means of enforcement, which would actually work to preserve jobs for minorities and legal immigrants, such as e-verify.</p><p></p><p>In the 1970s, for example, office buildings in Los Angeles hired union workers as janitors, paying high wages and substantial health and other benefits. Thengreedy businessmen thirsty for cheap labor and high profits began to hire independent contractors who in turn hired illegal immigrants. Within a year, wages were cut by two-thirds and benefits were eliminated.</p><p></p><p> In 1987, at a time when teenage unemployment among African Americans approached 80 percent [1] , greedy garment makers petitioned the INS to import more cheap labor on grounds that there was an "unskilled labor shortage", repeating the tired mantra that "Americans won't do the dirty work that illegal immigrants are willing to do"-- ignoring the fact that it isn't the dirty jobs that Americans disdain. Cities have no problem recruiting for the dirtiest of jobs, like garbage collection, when decent wages are offered. Most Americans would be willing to pay a few cents more for their tomatoes if it meant social justice for minorities and the legal immigrants who have been reduced to grinding poverty by the Reagan/Bush amnesty agenda.</p><p></p><p>Few did not see through President Bush's lame claim that his immigration plan was not amnesty because illegals would pay a $500 fine in order return for being allowed to jump the line for legal residency in front of the teeming millions waiting many years for legal entry, paying thousands for physical exams andbackground checks, or trying to a win a million to one immigration lottery. Why risk winning the lottery, when a winning ticket can be earned by illegal entry, identity theft, and felonious forgery of social security cards and other government documents in order to gain jobs that reduce wages of legal immigrants and minorities? </p><p></p><p> As immigration researcher Gary Imhoff has observed, illegal immigration "widens the differences between classes in the U.S.; it keeps down the price of hiring a maid or gardener for the rich while it makes thing more desperate for the poor."</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-hardaway/illegal-immigration-amnesty-_b_1729649.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-hardaway/illegal-immigration-amnesty-_b_1729649.html</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Billybob, post: 2552012, member: 1294"] My only point is it would seem naive to just blame Dems for wanting votes and say Reagan was suckered(plausible deniability?) when it appears Repubs wanted amnesty for their reasons also, maybe both sides are at fault. Bush spoke of labor needs and Reagan seemed to fear monger and spoke of not talking about a fence and open borders for workers... Candidates Reagan & Bush-41 Discuss Illegal Immigration in 1980 Debate [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixi9_cciy8w[/url] Then he appears to change his tune... 1984 - Ronald Reagan on Amnesty [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHKIq5z80U[/url] As for today we should take a good look at our economy, ask if there is any more accountability than in the past, and learn from the past... Failed Amnesty Legislation of 1986 Haunts the Current Immigration Bills in Congress, May 23, 2006 [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/washington/23amnesty.html?pagewanted=all[/url] Reagan/Bush Amnesty Agenda an Economic Catastrophe for Minorities and Legal Immigrants, 08/15/2012 We all know the consequences of this first great amnesty bill and those that followed: millions more illegal immigrants were lured into the U.S. in hopes of future amnesties (many to agonizing deaths in the desert), flooding the unskilled labor pool and reducing minorities and legal immigrants to poverty and economic desperation. Meanwhile, to no one's surprise, border security was neglected, and Big Business, in the pursuit of cheap labor and high profits, vigorously resisted all attempts at immigration job enforcement, particularly any means of enforcement, which would actually work to preserve jobs for minorities and legal immigrants, such as e-verify. In the 1970s, for example, office buildings in Los Angeles hired union workers as janitors, paying high wages and substantial health and other benefits. Thengreedy businessmen thirsty for cheap labor and high profits began to hire independent contractors who in turn hired illegal immigrants. Within a year, wages were cut by two-thirds and benefits were eliminated. In 1987, at a time when teenage unemployment among African Americans approached 80 percent [1] , greedy garment makers petitioned the INS to import more cheap labor on grounds that there was an "unskilled labor shortage", repeating the tired mantra that "Americans won't do the dirty work that illegal immigrants are willing to do"-- ignoring the fact that it isn't the dirty jobs that Americans disdain. Cities have no problem recruiting for the dirtiest of jobs, like garbage collection, when decent wages are offered. Most Americans would be willing to pay a few cents more for their tomatoes if it meant social justice for minorities and the legal immigrants who have been reduced to grinding poverty by the Reagan/Bush amnesty agenda. Few did not see through President Bush's lame claim that his immigration plan was not amnesty because illegals would pay a $500 fine in order return for being allowed to jump the line for legal residency in front of the teeming millions waiting many years for legal entry, paying thousands for physical exams andbackground checks, or trying to a win a million to one immigration lottery. Why risk winning the lottery, when a winning ticket can be earned by illegal entry, identity theft, and felonious forgery of social security cards and other government documents in order to gain jobs that reduce wages of legal immigrants and minorities? As immigration researcher Gary Imhoff has observed, illegal immigration "widens the differences between classes in the U.S.; it keeps down the price of hiring a maid or gardener for the rich while it makes thing more desperate for the poor." [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-hardaway/illegal-immigration-amnesty-_b_1729649.html[/url] [/QUOTE]
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