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<blockquote data-quote="nofearfactor" data-source="post: 2719276" data-attributes="member: 1535"><p>I dont think giving extra protection to law enforcement personnel when off duty from being harrassed, stalked, assaulted, etc is a form of giving them extra powers or making them untouchable. Things are weird these days and these people are doing a job not many would want to do. Seems with all of what is going on with law enforcement and the public in recent incidents it has them thinking of the vengeance seekers, stalkers, etc. Ethics though would seem to weigh their actions when off duty same as any citizen. If as the OP states the off duty LEO grabbed his wifes arse and he beaned him on the nose that would seem to weigh differently on the DAs opinion of how to charge the wifes husband for assault than if an officer had been assaulted by a stranger for no reason or someone actually stalked and assaulted them over a beef or whatever. The husband might get a pass, might not.</p><p></p><p>You just dont pop someone in the jaw these days like you could back in the day especially over something like someone touching or grabbing the wifes booty. Legally if she has proof of it then she needs to make an official complaint about him sexually asaulting her to the authorities and let them deal with him- call 911, etc. Being chivalrous is all fine and good with relations with the wife but you didnt protect your woman you committed an assault as you had no reason to assault this person as you were not defending yourself from this person physically, you were 100% the aggressor. I may have it all wrong, but I police myself different than some for a reason. Some will say what man doesnt protect his wifes respect or whatever? Me. Unless someone is getting overly physical with her then my wife can handle herself, she doesnt need me to step in, I feel for the person who wrongs that woman. Ive never been in any type of law enforcement related employment, etc. Ive been more on the other side, a tattoo artist, a former boxer and martial artist who still lifts weights and boxes for my health at 46. </p><p></p><p>These days I wouldnt just punch anyone for most anything ever unless it was in defense of myself. We live in such a highly litigious society nowadays, just knowing the trouble it would bring me no matter who it was I punched, an off duty cop or a bus driver, means cooler heads just have to prevail. I have alot to lose today financially and otherwise vs when I was a broke little punk in my 20s, and I do not like sitting in jail. My 2 over nighters in the county sobering up the required 6 hours or whatever have been enough of that for me. Back in the day it was normal for people to take care of things a little differently like out back in the alley or wherever. I was in a lot of fights when I was younger. F that today. There are just too many more ways for people to twist things on you with what seems like cameras coming out of every where any more to catch you doing something you shouldnt be. My son is an up and coming boxer and martial artist with MMA goals down the line and we have had many discussions about what he can and cannot do same as if someone just got their CCW permit. Just because you have the power doesnt mean you have to use it, thats just your ego speaking, you better have a gd good reason and you better be in defense of yourself if you throw that punch or point that weapon at someone. </p><p></p><p>Just my .02 which doesnt mean a damn thing...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nofearfactor, post: 2719276, member: 1535"] I dont think giving extra protection to law enforcement personnel when off duty from being harrassed, stalked, assaulted, etc is a form of giving them extra powers or making them untouchable. Things are weird these days and these people are doing a job not many would want to do. Seems with all of what is going on with law enforcement and the public in recent incidents it has them thinking of the vengeance seekers, stalkers, etc. Ethics though would seem to weigh their actions when off duty same as any citizen. If as the OP states the off duty LEO grabbed his wifes arse and he beaned him on the nose that would seem to weigh differently on the DAs opinion of how to charge the wifes husband for assault than if an officer had been assaulted by a stranger for no reason or someone actually stalked and assaulted them over a beef or whatever. The husband might get a pass, might not. You just dont pop someone in the jaw these days like you could back in the day especially over something like someone touching or grabbing the wifes booty. Legally if she has proof of it then she needs to make an official complaint about him sexually asaulting her to the authorities and let them deal with him- call 911, etc. Being chivalrous is all fine and good with relations with the wife but you didnt protect your woman you committed an assault as you had no reason to assault this person as you were not defending yourself from this person physically, you were 100% the aggressor. I may have it all wrong, but I police myself different than some for a reason. Some will say what man doesnt protect his wifes respect or whatever? Me. Unless someone is getting overly physical with her then my wife can handle herself, she doesnt need me to step in, I feel for the person who wrongs that woman. Ive never been in any type of law enforcement related employment, etc. Ive been more on the other side, a tattoo artist, a former boxer and martial artist who still lifts weights and boxes for my health at 46. These days I wouldnt just punch anyone for most anything ever unless it was in defense of myself. We live in such a highly litigious society nowadays, just knowing the trouble it would bring me no matter who it was I punched, an off duty cop or a bus driver, means cooler heads just have to prevail. I have alot to lose today financially and otherwise vs when I was a broke little punk in my 20s, and I do not like sitting in jail. My 2 over nighters in the county sobering up the required 6 hours or whatever have been enough of that for me. Back in the day it was normal for people to take care of things a little differently like out back in the alley or wherever. I was in a lot of fights when I was younger. F that today. There are just too many more ways for people to twist things on you with what seems like cameras coming out of every where any more to catch you doing something you shouldnt be. My son is an up and coming boxer and martial artist with MMA goals down the line and we have had many discussions about what he can and cannot do same as if someone just got their CCW permit. Just because you have the power doesnt mean you have to use it, thats just your ego speaking, you better have a gd good reason and you better be in defense of yourself if you throw that punch or point that weapon at someone. Just my .02 which doesnt mean a damn thing... [/QUOTE]
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