Officer with Rifle Takes Out Alleged Police Attacker from 180+ Yards

[JEVapa]

No I didn't justify it at all.

Yes, you did justify it.

I just got back from Chicago and saw a drive by on a police station...in person! These people shot a good 25 rounds into a police station.

Now why would they do that? You don't even ask the question as to what leads up to the citizens taking matters that far.

With this
By asking a rhetorical question, gaslighting the PoPo that there must be a reason for some criminals (that need shot BTW) to shoot up a Cop Shop. Then you say there's a question to be asked that will lead to why the "citizens" decided to shoot up said Cop Shop. You are justifying the shooting of a police station because the "citizens" must have been done so wrong by the PoPo and had reason for shooting up the station and possibly killing not only police, but civilians as well. That's not speculation, that's exactly what you alluded to.

Now my next question is when did this happen? I haven't seen it on the news anywhere, even on alternate media. In fact, I think you just made it up.

 

[Glocktogo]

I dont have issues. I just can't understand how no one here can see that cop exited his car with the intent to kill that suspect and no one here sees that is a systemic problem within police departments.

Idolizing this type of behavior is how we got Ferguson, Minneapolis, Kenosha, Baltimore, and countless others. Perhaps and maybe I am crazy for suggesting it....we stop and as a society say enough is enough?

I dont hate the cop for doing what he had to do, I completely understand that suspect had to be killed to stop him, however is it not possible that we could as a society stopped the suspect from feeling they needed to go that route?

Your concern is misplaced and unwarranted as I am no threat to anything, except mazzios ranch dressing. And the occasional sale of 17hmr ammo.

Your posts in this thread have been quite irrational. You conflate justifiable homicide with murder. You claim to support individual LEO's, yet condemn the profession and police powers. You claim to know the LEO in question had intent to kill, rather than intent to stop a threat. Your "solutions" are not even rational to debate. You routinely claim to be able to read what people on OSA have in their minds, then stereotype everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of Fox News parrot.

Are you really sure you're issue free? Because you really don't seem to be OK.

 

[Adhdferret]

Your posts in this thread have been quite irrational. You conflate justifiable homicide with murder. You claim to support individual LEO's, yet condemn the profession and police powers. You claim to know the LEO in question had intent to kill, rather than intent to stop a threat. Your "solutions" are not even rational to debate. You routinely claim to be able to read what people on OSA have in their minds, then stereotype everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of Fox News parrot.

Are you really sure you're issue free? Because you really don't seem to be OK.

Irrational because I have an alternative view as to the killing of people that could have easily been avoided if say we all asked the questions as to if this needs to happen?

As to how I disagree with people it is my means of banter and a bit of being an ******* right back. Quite a few question my mental health. Lol

Just because I don't advocate killing people. Nothing more than that.

 

[JEVapa]

No I am not that person who is incapable of it. This is why I have the stance I do. Took a good woman, and lots of holding me while I reloved each ****ing horror I had done.

I'm going to assume you were an 11, 18, 0311, or 0312?

 

[Adhdferret]

Yes, you did justify it.




With this
By asking a rhetorical question, gaslighting the PoPo that there must be a reason for some criminals (that need shot BTW) to shoot up a Cop Shop. Then you say there's a question to be asked that will lead to why the "citizens" decided to shoot up said Cop Shop. You are justifying the shooting of a police station because the "citizens" must have been done so wrong by the PoPo and had reason for shooting up the station and possibly killing not only police, but civilians as well. That's not speculation, that's exactly what you alluded to.

Now my next question is when did this happen? I haven't seen it on the news anywhere, even on alternate media. In fact, I think you just made it up.

Oh so lemme guess...because you didn't get to consume that tid bit of media it didn't happen. Lol

I was there, and I witnessed it. Chicago is a wild ride each day with the takeovers, and side shows. You dont see that on the news do you?

Does that mean kids ain't out doing donuts in the major intersections with major cities? Lol

 

[Adhdferret]

I'm going to assume you were an 11, 18, 0311, or 0312?

Nope...middle age close to 40.

 

[Adhdferret]

What is your major malfunction? Besides reading comprehension that is. I've been saying all along that officers don't shoot to kill, we shoot to stop the threat. All you had to do was agree, or better yet considering your attitude, ignore my posts.

"We"?

Man I feel that you gotta do what you have to. I wish there was another way, honestly your profession is just hard on a man or woman.

 

[Glocktogo]

Irrational because I have an alternative view as to the killing of people that could have easily been avoided if say we all asked the questions as to if this needs to happen?

As to how I disagree with people it is my means of banter and a bit of being an ******* right back. Quite a few question my mental health. Lol

Just because I don't advocate killing people. Nothing more than that.

The way you're doing it? Yes. Completely irrational and not the least bit convincing. You're free to continue tilting at windmills all you wish, but you're never going to get anyone to agree with you the way you're going at it.

 

[JEVapa]

Nope...middle age close to 40.

No, I'm talking your MOS regarding this , you know the thing that made the VA give you only just pills to cope.

No I am not that person who is incapable of it. This is why I have the stance I do. Took a good woman, and lots of holding me while I reloved each ****ing horror I had done.

11B, 18 anything, 0311 or 0312?

 

[wawazat]

Irrational because I have an alternative view as to the killing of people that could have easily been avoided if say we all asked the questions as to if this needs to happen?

As to how I disagree with people it is my means of banter and a bit of being an ******* right back. Quite a few question my mental health. Lol

Just because I don't advocate killing people. Nothing more than that.

I think the biggest gap between how I interpret what happened in that video or many of these shootings and how you interpret them is the mental soundness of the individual. I believe every responding officer does and should provide very clearly communicated direction on how a person is expected to act upon their arrival to avoid violence and possibly even death. If the person is informed and decides to behave otherwise, the officers focus should and often does shift to protecting the law abiding citizens in the area and themselves. At no point does the safety and well being of the person refusing clear directions trump the safety and well being of the law abiding citizens around them at that point.

In the video in question, the officer at the focus of the video was not the first officer on the scene. It can be very reasonably supposed the first responding officers provided very clear directions on how the suspect should respond to avoid being shot at and most likely killed. The fact that the suspect was still shooting at officers when the subject officer arrived on scene tells me the suspect made his decision as to the outcome he found agreeable and the subject officer obliged. I dont cheer for anyone having to take a life, even though some have confused my cheers for a victim finding themselves alive and well after a violent assault as such. It is just a difference in perception of a chain of events and not worth arguing about or me making any blanket assumptions about anyone.

I wont even attempt to dive into the suggestion that officers involved in a "good shoot" should be given full mandatory retirement on the spot. That is an INCREDIBLY nuanced discussion covering so many hypothetical scenarios where I would strongly disagree that it isn't really worth discussing in this format. The most basic summation of my disagreement is that I typically will disagree with any and all blanket responses. There are a few situations where I think a blind and blanket response is valid, but this isnt one of them in my opinion.