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<blockquote data-quote="pistolguy" data-source="post: 2224043" data-attributes="member: 30479"><p>look, pard, just cause YOU can't do it, does not mean that it can't be done by skilled people. It also doesn't mean that it aint necessary for self defense, either!. Just ask George Zimmerman how fast somebody can be all over you, even without a knife or club. :-) If you want to know how fast it's possible to draw and hit, google for Jerry Miculer, the Steel Challenge, Western Fast Draw or, Brian Enos's forum, and some of those times, are from hands at surrender start position, or from 'hands hanging naturally at sides". Those times can be in the low .60 second, to react to the timer, draw and hit the chest at 7 yds. I'm talking, above, about 10 ft of distance, which means you can shave a little off of the time, and I ALSO said, starting "hand ON the gun", in a pants pocket holster. Now, don't you "think" that not having to grab the gun saves you a bit of that draw time? :-)</p><p></p><p>The record, for hand "hovering" over the gun butt, to react to the beep of timer, draw an SA revolver (silly open wear cowboy rig) and hit a silohuetter, at 5 yds, with a primer powered wax bullet, is sub .50 second. blanks, just making noise, is sub .30 second. NOT touching the gun, dude, and having to cock the hammer. What they do is grab the gun, pull the trigger as they draw, and then fan the hammer as the gun clears the rig. in order to set a record in Fast Draw, you have to get within .03 second of that "record" draw, within the next 3 tries, or they say that you "jumped" the timer, thus saving some or all of your .20 second reaction time.</p><p></p><p>with hand in pocket, I can average under 3/4 second to react to the beep, draw from the pocket rig, get both hands on the gun and get it to a shoulder - level point at full arm extension, no problem. Anybody can, who will work at it. Bruce lee could throw a punch, to full extension at face height, from the "cocked" position, at his hip, in .05 second. It takes me .12 second :-) But once the gun comes out of the pockt, it takes only .20 second or less to get it to "weaver". To react to the beep, draw and fire one handed takes a bit under .60 second. Because this is LIVE ammo. So there has to be a hair of hesitation before pulling that trigger all the way back. </p><p></p><p>Bill jordan, in his book, NO SECOND PLACE WINNER, claimed a reaction, draw and hit, using a DA .38 revolver, on a silohuette at 5 yds, from an open wear rig, with wax ammo, hands at sides start position, in .27 second, but he was said to have a reaction time of .09 second. Ed McGivern claimed a reaction time of .06 second. In photos for the book, Jordan claimed to have demonstrated a .33 second draw and hit. So you are WAY off in what you "think" is "ninja". You are a disresectful and insulting individual.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pistolguy, post: 2224043, member: 30479"] look, pard, just cause YOU can't do it, does not mean that it can't be done by skilled people. It also doesn't mean that it aint necessary for self defense, either!. Just ask George Zimmerman how fast somebody can be all over you, even without a knife or club. :-) If you want to know how fast it's possible to draw and hit, google for Jerry Miculer, the Steel Challenge, Western Fast Draw or, Brian Enos's forum, and some of those times, are from hands at surrender start position, or from 'hands hanging naturally at sides". Those times can be in the low .60 second, to react to the timer, draw and hit the chest at 7 yds. I'm talking, above, about 10 ft of distance, which means you can shave a little off of the time, and I ALSO said, starting "hand ON the gun", in a pants pocket holster. Now, don't you "think" that not having to grab the gun saves you a bit of that draw time? :-) The record, for hand "hovering" over the gun butt, to react to the beep of timer, draw an SA revolver (silly open wear cowboy rig) and hit a silohuetter, at 5 yds, with a primer powered wax bullet, is sub .50 second. blanks, just making noise, is sub .30 second. NOT touching the gun, dude, and having to cock the hammer. What they do is grab the gun, pull the trigger as they draw, and then fan the hammer as the gun clears the rig. in order to set a record in Fast Draw, you have to get within .03 second of that "record" draw, within the next 3 tries, or they say that you "jumped" the timer, thus saving some or all of your .20 second reaction time. with hand in pocket, I can average under 3/4 second to react to the beep, draw from the pocket rig, get both hands on the gun and get it to a shoulder - level point at full arm extension, no problem. Anybody can, who will work at it. Bruce lee could throw a punch, to full extension at face height, from the "cocked" position, at his hip, in .05 second. It takes me .12 second :-) But once the gun comes out of the pockt, it takes only .20 second or less to get it to "weaver". To react to the beep, draw and fire one handed takes a bit under .60 second. Because this is LIVE ammo. So there has to be a hair of hesitation before pulling that trigger all the way back. Bill jordan, in his book, NO SECOND PLACE WINNER, claimed a reaction, draw and hit, using a DA .38 revolver, on a silohuette at 5 yds, from an open wear rig, with wax ammo, hands at sides start position, in .27 second, but he was said to have a reaction time of .09 second. Ed McGivern claimed a reaction time of .06 second. In photos for the book, Jordan claimed to have demonstrated a .33 second draw and hit. So you are WAY off in what you "think" is "ninja". You are a disresectful and insulting individual. [/QUOTE]
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