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<blockquote data-quote="PJM" data-source="post: 3265229" data-attributes="member: 44841"><p>Hi All,</p><p>This is a touchy subject and there appears to be two simultaneous, but entirely different conversations going on here that are constantly crisscrossing each other. There ahs to be a delineation of legal opioid use verses illegal opioid use. I was a nurse for over a quarter century, I have myself broken some 58, yes I said 58 bones and no I'm not talking about knuckles toes and fingers. Opioids are wonderful pain relievers and when used appropriately can given people the ability to have a good quality of life they otherwise would not have been able to enjoy. Pain meds should be use for pain meds. The problem with legally prescribed meds is when they are being used to deal with things other than pain. Such as trying to forget about the world or the "euphoric" feeling to escape from ones reality. We need to know that even if prescribed by a doctor when we use prescription medication for uses other than that which they were prescribed for, we are in fact using that drug/medication illegally. I have been on Percocet several times but I did not use it even as much as the script said I could. Why, because I did not need it for pain, and I surely was smart enough to realize that if I started to use it for "other" things it was road to sure destruction. OH and don't think for a minute that I don't understand addiction because I was an alcoholic, smoker, and drug user. How did I stop, well some will laugh others will say Come on now! I was born again on 4/29/1995 and I have not had a cigarette or drink since then. But that is not the point of this. People who need strong pain control are not using these meds for those other reasons. They have a medical need and are using the drugs to ease their physical pain. </p><p></p><p>Now the other part of this conversation rests in the fact that these drugs are widely available illegally and the people that sell them by and large could not care any more about the damage they do to you or your family than the DSA/dnc would care to remove all gun laws from the books. These people sell this medication oxycodone, oxycontin, fentanyl, cocaine, heroin to make money. They want you to get addicted because that means you have to keep coming back. They are animals and as far as I am concerned they need long prison sentences and if a person dies from drugs they supplied they should face murder charges. As to responsibility wee are responsible for what we do to our own bodies. IF I choose to ingest illegal drugs and my kidneys shut down it isn't GOD's fault, it isn't the govs fault, it is my fault. As for those who have lost loved ones to this war I can sympathize with you. I have a brother that is 24/7 on oxygen because he would not stop taking drugs. His wife died from a drug overdose, he lost a son to a drug overdose, but ultimately each of these people were responsible for their own actions. </p><p></p><p>IT is wrong to group these two facets of this conversation together because they are not the same. Those who have legit medical need of opioid pain medications will likely not find relief from other pain meds. Those who choose to use them to alter their reality will no doubt become addicts and will cross what ever lines they have to to feed that addiction. I know how that story goes, I was there. While very unpopular in this I will say that those who succumb to this and are addicted understand full well what it means to be possessed by the devil because there is no closer thing to that than being addicted to a drug that you could literally die if you do not get your fix. Is there a crisis, yes. To stop the unnecessary part of this close the border except for legit points of entry, go after the cartels and destroy the enemy if necessary, and offer treatment to those who want help, and do not coddle the people that are in this situation and have no desire to remove themselves from it. Placation will only further the course of personal destruction that they are on.</p><p>JMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PJM, post: 3265229, member: 44841"] Hi All, This is a touchy subject and there appears to be two simultaneous, but entirely different conversations going on here that are constantly crisscrossing each other. There ahs to be a delineation of legal opioid use verses illegal opioid use. I was a nurse for over a quarter century, I have myself broken some 58, yes I said 58 bones and no I'm not talking about knuckles toes and fingers. Opioids are wonderful pain relievers and when used appropriately can given people the ability to have a good quality of life they otherwise would not have been able to enjoy. Pain meds should be use for pain meds. The problem with legally prescribed meds is when they are being used to deal with things other than pain. Such as trying to forget about the world or the "euphoric" feeling to escape from ones reality. We need to know that even if prescribed by a doctor when we use prescription medication for uses other than that which they were prescribed for, we are in fact using that drug/medication illegally. I have been on Percocet several times but I did not use it even as much as the script said I could. Why, because I did not need it for pain, and I surely was smart enough to realize that if I started to use it for "other" things it was road to sure destruction. OH and don't think for a minute that I don't understand addiction because I was an alcoholic, smoker, and drug user. How did I stop, well some will laugh others will say Come on now! I was born again on 4/29/1995 and I have not had a cigarette or drink since then. But that is not the point of this. People who need strong pain control are not using these meds for those other reasons. They have a medical need and are using the drugs to ease their physical pain. Now the other part of this conversation rests in the fact that these drugs are widely available illegally and the people that sell them by and large could not care any more about the damage they do to you or your family than the DSA/dnc would care to remove all gun laws from the books. These people sell this medication oxycodone, oxycontin, fentanyl, cocaine, heroin to make money. They want you to get addicted because that means you have to keep coming back. They are animals and as far as I am concerned they need long prison sentences and if a person dies from drugs they supplied they should face murder charges. As to responsibility wee are responsible for what we do to our own bodies. IF I choose to ingest illegal drugs and my kidneys shut down it isn't GOD's fault, it isn't the govs fault, it is my fault. As for those who have lost loved ones to this war I can sympathize with you. I have a brother that is 24/7 on oxygen because he would not stop taking drugs. His wife died from a drug overdose, he lost a son to a drug overdose, but ultimately each of these people were responsible for their own actions. IT is wrong to group these two facets of this conversation together because they are not the same. Those who have legit medical need of opioid pain medications will likely not find relief from other pain meds. Those who choose to use them to alter their reality will no doubt become addicts and will cross what ever lines they have to to feed that addiction. I know how that story goes, I was there. While very unpopular in this I will say that those who succumb to this and are addicted understand full well what it means to be possessed by the devil because there is no closer thing to that than being addicted to a drug that you could literally die if you do not get your fix. Is there a crisis, yes. To stop the unnecessary part of this close the border except for legit points of entry, go after the cartels and destroy the enemy if necessary, and offer treatment to those who want help, and do not coddle the people that are in this situation and have no desire to remove themselves from it. Placation will only further the course of personal destruction that they are on. JMHO [/QUOTE]
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