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<blockquote data-quote="Frederick" data-source="post: 3070990" data-attributes="member: 17825"><p>"VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. "</p><p></p><p>Sounds like an entitlement to me. If they want it, they should pay for it. the vast majority of folks in the military have never even seen an active war zone or been injured in service.</p><p></p><p>If an American serviceman is injured during the course of his duty, then he is entitled to free healthcare as long as it is to treat the related injuries sustained while in service, sure.</p><p></p><p>I think it would be better to grant them an enhanced, free medicare card in that case. so that they can choose to visit whatever doctor they wish, instead of having to use the VA system.</p><p></p><p>as far as your comments on healthcare, you already pay for others healthcare everytime you visit an emergency room. That's why it is so god awful expensive; because you're basically paying extra to subsidize all the people without insurance the hospital has to pay for. So while no one may be 'entitled' to healthcare per se, it would be much cheaper if we as a society instituted a national health insurance scheme. It would be cheaper in premiums and cost.</p><p></p><p>As far as food, i think we as human beings have a christian obligation there. No one should starve to death in this country, and usually there are underlying reasons behind such food insecurity that go beyond 'i'm lazy and don't want to work.'</p><p></p><p>I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all.</p><p></p><p>The reality, especially in rural parts of this country, is that you can work hard and still not have enough to retire, afford healthcare or food. This is particularly true in the case of people with mental/psychological or physical disabilities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Frederick, post: 3070990, member: 17825"] "VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. " Sounds like an entitlement to me. If they want it, they should pay for it. the vast majority of folks in the military have never even seen an active war zone or been injured in service. If an American serviceman is injured during the course of his duty, then he is entitled to free healthcare as long as it is to treat the related injuries sustained while in service, sure. I think it would be better to grant them an enhanced, free medicare card in that case. so that they can choose to visit whatever doctor they wish, instead of having to use the VA system. as far as your comments on healthcare, you already pay for others healthcare everytime you visit an emergency room. That's why it is so god awful expensive; because you're basically paying extra to subsidize all the people without insurance the hospital has to pay for. So while no one may be 'entitled' to healthcare per se, it would be much cheaper if we as a society instituted a national health insurance scheme. It would be cheaper in premiums and cost. As far as food, i think we as human beings have a christian obligation there. No one should starve to death in this country, and usually there are underlying reasons behind such food insecurity that go beyond 'i'm lazy and don't want to work.' I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all. The reality, especially in rural parts of this country, is that you can work hard and still not have enough to retire, afford healthcare or food. This is particularly true in the case of people with mental/psychological or physical disabilities. [/QUOTE]
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