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Poll: 71% of Obama voters, 55% Democrats 'regret' voting for his re-election
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<blockquote data-quote="Ace_on_the_Turn" data-source="post: 2413364" data-attributes="member: 27417"><p>Do you mean socialism like a massive expansion of Medicare, the largest socialized program in U.S. history? That would be Bush and Medicare Part D. Or do you mean the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act A.K.A. Obamacare which requires people to do business with private insurance companies, which is the opposite of socialism. It's a capitalist wet-dream, the government forcing people to give them money. </p><p></p><p>From here<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/47678760http://" target="_blank">http://www.cnbc.com/id/47678760http://</a></p><p>This is far from a new phenomenon the use of "socialist" as a political epithet in the U.S. dates to pre-Civil War days when abolitionist newspaper editor Horace Greeley was branded a socialist by some pro-slavery adversaries. In the 20th century, many elements of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal including Social Security were denounced as socialist. So was Medicare when it was created in the 1960s.</p><p></p><p>But to many historians and political scientists and to actual socialists as well the persistent claim that Obama is a socialist lacks credence. </p><p></p><p>From here:<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/barack-obama-worst-socialist-ever/2012/05/07/gIQAbp9t7T_blog.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/barack-obama-worst-socialist-ever/2012/05/07/gIQAbp9t7T_blog.html</a></p><p>If President Obama is truly a socialist, then hes not a very good one:</p><p></p><p>For the first time in 40 years, the government sector of the American economy has shrunk during the first three years of a presidential administration.</p><p></p><p>From here:<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rich-rubino/barack-obama-a-socialist-_b_3129376.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rich-rubino/barack-obama-a-socialist-_b_3129376.html</a></p><p>Barack Obama: A Socialist He Is Definitely Not </p><p>Barack Obama has done nothing to move the ideological pendulum in the direction of socialism. In fact, he has been a tribune of private industry, often saving private businesses from bankruptcy. </p><p>In his first year in office, Barack Obama authorized $80 billion from the Troubled Relief Assets Funds to loan to General Motors and Chrysler to keep them out of bankruptcy. The result is that two Fortune 500 companies benefited directly from Obama's actions. A socialist would have submitted legislation to the U.S. Congress, proposing to nationalize the nation's automobile industry, putting its ownership into public hands. </p><p></p><p>I have no illusions that facts will sway your misguided opinion, and that's okay. Many libbies claimed that Bush the Second was stupid, dumb, an intellectual lightweight. They were just as wrong as you, so you're in good company.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ace_on_the_Turn, post: 2413364, member: 27417"] Do you mean socialism like a massive expansion of Medicare, the largest socialized program in U.S. history? That would be Bush and Medicare Part D. Or do you mean the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act A.K.A. Obamacare which requires people to do business with private insurance companies, which is the opposite of socialism. It's a capitalist wet-dream, the government forcing people to give them money. From here[URL="http://www.cnbc.com/id/47678760http://"]http://www.cnbc.com/id/47678760http://[/URL] This is far from a new phenomenon the use of "socialist" as a political epithet in the U.S. dates to pre-Civil War days when abolitionist newspaper editor Horace Greeley was branded a socialist by some pro-slavery adversaries. In the 20th century, many elements of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal including Social Security were denounced as socialist. So was Medicare when it was created in the 1960s. But to many historians and political scientists and to actual socialists as well the persistent claim that Obama is a socialist lacks credence. From here:[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/barack-obama-worst-socialist-ever/2012/05/07/gIQAbp9t7T_blog.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/barack-obama-worst-socialist-ever/2012/05/07/gIQAbp9t7T_blog.html[/URL] If President Obama is truly a socialist, then hes not a very good one: For the first time in 40 years, the government sector of the American economy has shrunk during the first three years of a presidential administration. From here:[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rich-rubino/barack-obama-a-socialist-_b_3129376.html[/url] Barack Obama: A Socialist He Is Definitely Not Barack Obama has done nothing to move the ideological pendulum in the direction of socialism. In fact, he has been a tribune of private industry, often saving private businesses from bankruptcy. In his first year in office, Barack Obama authorized $80 billion from the Troubled Relief Assets Funds to loan to General Motors and Chrysler to keep them out of bankruptcy. The result is that two Fortune 500 companies benefited directly from Obama's actions. A socialist would have submitted legislation to the U.S. Congress, proposing to nationalize the nation's automobile industry, putting its ownership into public hands. I have no illusions that facts will sway your misguided opinion, and that's okay. Many libbies claimed that Bush the Second was stupid, dumb, an intellectual lightweight. They were just as wrong as you, so you're in good company. [/QUOTE]
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