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<blockquote data-quote="SBSATS" data-source="post: 4068367" data-attributes="member: 53681"><p>Marksmanship is the key to any defensive situation. Generally don't worry so much about outside my house, if I'm inside. And there's nothing I have outside that would be worth the taking of a life, or jeopardizing mine. So I pretty much defend the inside.</p><p> I have never seen a room in any house so large that most any firearm or ammo would not be effective enough to stop or turn back an intruder who wasn't crazed up on some kind of drug.</p><p>I prefer a 410 shotgun, loaded with 1/2 oz of #4s. At 12 feet, (the average length of most rooms), it will make a nasty mind changer for the intruder, but won't harm the child sleeping on the other side of the wall.</p><p>Years ago I had a setup in my hall closet with a bullet stop capable of stopping a 180gr, 30 cal loaded up to max from a 30-06.</p><p>I was shooting 148gr, 38 Spl wadcutters loaded at around 500fps.</p><p>My little brother came wanting a box of shotshells for hunting, and had his wife and sister in law with him.</p><p>I laid the pistol on the table next to my chair, and went to the back of the house to get the shells. While gone, his sister in law went to playing with my pistol and fired a round at the target in front of the bullet-stop...but missed putting a bullet hole in the wall in the back of the closet.</p><p>I won't go into my reaction and fast they left, but the next morning I followed the bullets trail, and found where it had stopped. It had the siding on the outside of the house buldged out. 3 layers of sheet rock, 2 inches of insulation, piece of tar paper, the 1x6 siding board and buldging the old asbestos siding shingle. This was a minimum load wadcutter... what would a 357 mag, 158gr loaded to the max full metal jacket have done??? Shot the next door neighbors child sleeping on the other side of their house???</p><p>A long story, I agree. But one I have told many, many times as the lessons I learned that night, not only about the penatration abilities of a bullet, but of gun safety and who is around to have access. Yes, I should have simply taken the gun with me for safety. But had I done so I probably would never have done my research on the penatration, and effects of different types of projectiles. Which to me should be the most important part of the decision of what self defense weapon and ammo you want to use in any scenario.</p><p>Today as a trained armed security officer I consider...</p><p>what will stop the assailant or intruder from doing harm, but not harm anyone behind or around them and do minimal damage to anything that's not your target.</p><p>Marksmanship is the most important factor. I won't need a 50 cal with a 100 round magazine or any one of the many fully auto shotguns , should I deem it necessary to defend myself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SBSATS, post: 4068367, member: 53681"] Marksmanship is the key to any defensive situation. Generally don't worry so much about outside my house, if I'm inside. And there's nothing I have outside that would be worth the taking of a life, or jeopardizing mine. So I pretty much defend the inside. I have never seen a room in any house so large that most any firearm or ammo would not be effective enough to stop or turn back an intruder who wasn't crazed up on some kind of drug. I prefer a 410 shotgun, loaded with 1/2 oz of #4s. At 12 feet, (the average length of most rooms), it will make a nasty mind changer for the intruder, but won't harm the child sleeping on the other side of the wall. Years ago I had a setup in my hall closet with a bullet stop capable of stopping a 180gr, 30 cal loaded up to max from a 30-06. I was shooting 148gr, 38 Spl wadcutters loaded at around 500fps. My little brother came wanting a box of shotshells for hunting, and had his wife and sister in law with him. I laid the pistol on the table next to my chair, and went to the back of the house to get the shells. While gone, his sister in law went to playing with my pistol and fired a round at the target in front of the bullet-stop...but missed putting a bullet hole in the wall in the back of the closet. I won't go into my reaction and fast they left, but the next morning I followed the bullets trail, and found where it had stopped. It had the siding on the outside of the house buldged out. 3 layers of sheet rock, 2 inches of insulation, piece of tar paper, the 1x6 siding board and buldging the old asbestos siding shingle. This was a minimum load wadcutter... what would a 357 mag, 158gr loaded to the max full metal jacket have done??? Shot the next door neighbors child sleeping on the other side of their house??? A long story, I agree. But one I have told many, many times as the lessons I learned that night, not only about the penatration abilities of a bullet, but of gun safety and who is around to have access. Yes, I should have simply taken the gun with me for safety. But had I done so I probably would never have done my research on the penatration, and effects of different types of projectiles. Which to me should be the most important part of the decision of what self defense weapon and ammo you want to use in any scenario. Today as a trained armed security officer I consider... what will stop the assailant or intruder from doing harm, but not harm anyone behind or around them and do minimal damage to anything that's not your target. Marksmanship is the most important factor. I won't need a 50 cal with a 100 round magazine or any one of the many fully auto shotguns , should I deem it necessary to defend myself. [/QUOTE]
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