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<blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 2602844" data-attributes="member: 5412"><p>The Korean war was the first war that politicians vs Generals/Admirals ran thinking a limited engagement pandering to the Chinese would bring victory, but the Chinese had plans of their own. The military experts that had fought and won WWII were held at bay by politicians. The US military suffered unnecessary casualtys, and almost lost the conflict at the Chosin Reservoir. </p><p></p><p>Vietnam was lost for the very same reason. LBJ and Robert McNamara ran the war from dinner tables at the White House ignoring pleas from commanders on site to let them win the war. McNamara has since acknowledged their failure to let the military run the war in interviews. </p><p></p><p>I could write an entire book about what the boots on the ground thought of the war and what they did to circumnavigate the politicians, but I won't post it here so as not to offend some.</p><p></p><p> It was ugly, and I don't regret a second of it. </p><p></p><p>If your going to fight a war, fight the dammed thing. </p><p></p><p>Fight it to win. We fought to win in WWI and WWII. The people in those country's aren't trying to schedule our demise. They took their ass whipping, and became our allies, because we destroyed their leaders country, and instituted new government that is similar to ours. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>ICIS was an open target for airpower early on, but our puszy in office did nothing</p><p>That time has gone. ICIS is entrenched, and nothing but full scale war will defeat them in their country. Full scale war involves civilian casuality's. We have already killed a lot of civilians in that country and its regrettable, but the enemy was not defeated. The puszy in office set a deadline, and bailed out like a whipped dog.</p><p></p><p>Its the same thing Nixon did in Vietnam. I guess we don't learn by our mistakes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennishoddy, post: 2602844, member: 5412"] The Korean war was the first war that politicians vs Generals/Admirals ran thinking a limited engagement pandering to the Chinese would bring victory, but the Chinese had plans of their own. The military experts that had fought and won WWII were held at bay by politicians. The US military suffered unnecessary casualtys, and almost lost the conflict at the Chosin Reservoir. Vietnam was lost for the very same reason. LBJ and Robert McNamara ran the war from dinner tables at the White House ignoring pleas from commanders on site to let them win the war. McNamara has since acknowledged their failure to let the military run the war in interviews. I could write an entire book about what the boots on the ground thought of the war and what they did to circumnavigate the politicians, but I won't post it here so as not to offend some. It was ugly, and I don't regret a second of it. If your going to fight a war, fight the dammed thing. Fight it to win. We fought to win in WWI and WWII. The people in those country's aren't trying to schedule our demise. They took their ass whipping, and became our allies, because we destroyed their leaders country, and instituted new government that is similar to ours. ICIS was an open target for airpower early on, but our puszy in office did nothing That time has gone. ICIS is entrenched, and nothing but full scale war will defeat them in their country. Full scale war involves civilian casuality's. We have already killed a lot of civilians in that country and its regrettable, but the enemy was not defeated. The puszy in office set a deadline, and bailed out like a whipped dog. Its the same thing Nixon did in Vietnam. I guess we don't learn by our mistakes. [/QUOTE]
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