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<blockquote data-quote="Fyrtwuck" data-source="post: 1932782" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>I've been reading a lot of the posts and watching the Youtubes where the people start repeating "Am I being detained?" and then start quoting case law of x vs. state of whatever etc, regarding open carry, detainment and usually end up with "you're violating my rights."</p><p></p><p>Most police officers start their careers in their early 20's.(If they stay long enough to make it a career. When I went through the academy, we were told that at least 75% of our class would leave law enforcement within two years of graduation.) Very few have any college, (especially the smaller towns) and some have just gotten out of the military. These younger officers have no idea what case law is and know only what is taught at the academy. If they learn anything about case law, it's usually from self study or as a result of a case that they have been involved in. They are not Lawyers. When I went through CLEET, the entire academy was 8 1/2 weeks. The Law block was only two weeks. </p><p></p><p>When they get a complaint, they are REQUIRED by the department to investigate. In some states they have laws that require a "duty to act." These people on Youtube are setting these officers up who know nothing about case law, creating situations that require investigation and endlessly responding to questions with "Are you detaining me?" but are there because they are being paid by the taxpayer to do the job that they themselves are making harder for them to do.</p><p></p><p>Every year a CLEET instructor, sometimes it's an Attorney travels around the state with a legal update class. This is an eight hour class and covers what the instructor believes pertains to recent updates in the laws that may involve what an officer may encounter. I've never heard case law discussed in these classes. Only updates to the laws that will be published in the new book. Officers deal primarily with Title 21 and Title 47. Criminal and Traffic.</p><p></p><p>The only way things are going to get better is with education. The person carrying, the public and the Police. When November 1 gets here, I'm sure the 911 lines will light up and hundreds of complaints will be called in. Officers will be required to investigate those complaints. Hopefully calm will prevail, a short interview and encounter and everyone can continue what they are doing and move on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fyrtwuck, post: 1932782, member: 23"] I've been reading a lot of the posts and watching the Youtubes where the people start repeating "Am I being detained?" and then start quoting case law of x vs. state of whatever etc, regarding open carry, detainment and usually end up with "you're violating my rights." Most police officers start their careers in their early 20's.(If they stay long enough to make it a career. When I went through the academy, we were told that at least 75% of our class would leave law enforcement within two years of graduation.) Very few have any college, (especially the smaller towns) and some have just gotten out of the military. These younger officers have no idea what case law is and know only what is taught at the academy. If they learn anything about case law, it's usually from self study or as a result of a case that they have been involved in. They are not Lawyers. When I went through CLEET, the entire academy was 8 1/2 weeks. The Law block was only two weeks. When they get a complaint, they are REQUIRED by the department to investigate. In some states they have laws that require a "duty to act." These people on Youtube are setting these officers up who know nothing about case law, creating situations that require investigation and endlessly responding to questions with "Are you detaining me?" but are there because they are being paid by the taxpayer to do the job that they themselves are making harder for them to do. Every year a CLEET instructor, sometimes it's an Attorney travels around the state with a legal update class. This is an eight hour class and covers what the instructor believes pertains to recent updates in the laws that may involve what an officer may encounter. I've never heard case law discussed in these classes. Only updates to the laws that will be published in the new book. Officers deal primarily with Title 21 and Title 47. Criminal and Traffic. The only way things are going to get better is with education. The person carrying, the public and the Police. When November 1 gets here, I'm sure the 911 lines will light up and hundreds of complaints will be called in. Officers will be required to investigate those complaints. Hopefully calm will prevail, a short interview and encounter and everyone can continue what they are doing and move on. [/QUOTE]
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