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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 2768696" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>How utopian of you! <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>As long as there's strife in one place and opportunity in another, you'll always have people doing whatever it takes to cross over. On that note, everyone knows we're talking Mexico here. The problem isn't the people who cross, it's the baggage they bring with them. Too many of them want to hold onto their "heritage". You know, the awesome heritage they happen to be fleeing? <img src="/images/smilies/rolleyes2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes2" title="Rolleyes2 :rolleyes2" data-shortname=":rolleyes2" /></p><p></p><p>First, we need an actual working immigration policy. It should be much more expansive, tiered and require some level of sacrifice to obtain. Sure we need more physicists, doctors and engineers, but we need service workers too. It would be disingenuous to say all those millions of jobs would be otherwise taken by Americans, because we have a LOT of lazy, worthless Americans who won't do jack schit. </p><p></p><p>Then we NEED secure borders. Not some impenetrable fence (that wouldn't be), but an actual deterrent. If you allow a significantly higher number of screened and vetted immigrants in on work visas, you reduce the scope of the illegal entry problem. Then you can target those entering illegally with greater enforcement. Such as, first offense, you get sent to a labor camp for two weeks hard work with no pay. Then you get on a ship and get repatriated to Salina Cruz or Merida, depending on which ocean you got caught closest to. Second offense, labor camp for two months with no pay and another long boat ride. Third offense, two years and one last boat ride. </p><p></p><p>As a matter of fact, that sounds like a good plan for illegal entry regardless of what country you come from. The boat ride back might require an alternate plan depending on country of origin. For all the bleeding hearts who find this to be "cruel and unusual", there should be a program for them to did deep into their charitable pockets and sponsor a "get out of free work" card, with the option to buy the sponsored "immigrant" a more luxurious ticket back home. </p><p></p><p>Last but not least, business owners who hire those foreign nationals without a valid work visa? $2,000 per person on 1st offense, $20,000 per person on 2nd offense and $200,000 per person for the final offense. No dissolving the business and opening up under a new umbrella. Offenses accrue to the business AND the owner(s) as individuals.</p><p></p><p>Finally, legalize pot nationwide, then take all the enforcement currently expended on pot and apply it to the hard stuff. Coke, meth, heroin, etc.? First offense (conviction), you get 9 months probation (stay off the felon list), rehab for users and forfeit all assets, which are to be used for drug treatment and education. Second offense, 2 years hard labor and again, forfeit all assets for treatment and ed. Third offense, well, you get the idea. </p><p></p><p>As for Mexico's complaints about all this, our response should be as it should've always been. "Fix your problems at home and your people won't get pinched coming into America the wrong way!"</p><p></p><p>That's all pretty harsh, but it would solve 98% of the problems associated with the current immigration issue, not to mention a lot of drug problems.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 2768696, member: 1132"] How utopian of you! :( As long as there's strife in one place and opportunity in another, you'll always have people doing whatever it takes to cross over. On that note, everyone knows we're talking Mexico here. The problem isn't the people who cross, it's the baggage they bring with them. Too many of them want to hold onto their "heritage". You know, the awesome heritage they happen to be fleeing? :rolleyes2 First, we need an actual working immigration policy. It should be much more expansive, tiered and require some level of sacrifice to obtain. Sure we need more physicists, doctors and engineers, but we need service workers too. It would be disingenuous to say all those millions of jobs would be otherwise taken by Americans, because we have a LOT of lazy, worthless Americans who won't do jack schit. Then we NEED secure borders. Not some impenetrable fence (that wouldn't be), but an actual deterrent. If you allow a significantly higher number of screened and vetted immigrants in on work visas, you reduce the scope of the illegal entry problem. Then you can target those entering illegally with greater enforcement. Such as, first offense, you get sent to a labor camp for two weeks hard work with no pay. Then you get on a ship and get repatriated to Salina Cruz or Merida, depending on which ocean you got caught closest to. Second offense, labor camp for two months with no pay and another long boat ride. Third offense, two years and one last boat ride. As a matter of fact, that sounds like a good plan for illegal entry regardless of what country you come from. The boat ride back might require an alternate plan depending on country of origin. For all the bleeding hearts who find this to be "cruel and unusual", there should be a program for them to did deep into their charitable pockets and sponsor a "get out of free work" card, with the option to buy the sponsored "immigrant" a more luxurious ticket back home. Last but not least, business owners who hire those foreign nationals without a valid work visa? $2,000 per person on 1st offense, $20,000 per person on 2nd offense and $200,000 per person for the final offense. No dissolving the business and opening up under a new umbrella. Offenses accrue to the business AND the owner(s) as individuals. Finally, legalize pot nationwide, then take all the enforcement currently expended on pot and apply it to the hard stuff. Coke, meth, heroin, etc.? First offense (conviction), you get 9 months probation (stay off the felon list), rehab for users and forfeit all assets, which are to be used for drug treatment and education. Second offense, 2 years hard labor and again, forfeit all assets for treatment and ed. Third offense, well, you get the idea. As for Mexico's complaints about all this, our response should be as it should've always been. "Fix your problems at home and your people won't get pinched coming into America the wrong way!" That's all pretty harsh, but it would solve 98% of the problems associated with the current immigration issue, not to mention a lot of drug problems. [/QUOTE]
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