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<blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 3228644" data-attributes="member: 5412"><p>I'm the President of the Ponca City Rifle and Pistol Club. Over 300 members. Our range is designed and developed using the NRA range design specifications.</p><p>I also have a personal range at home. I've read your concerns and agree with some of the safety considerations you have mentioned.</p><p>In my opinion, as a responsible shooter and competition shooter as well as a certified range safety officer that doesn't take safety at the range lightly I have to add some comments.</p><p>My personal range at home in the country has a 10' berm. Our club range has 20-30' berms depending on the NRA specifications for the distance within those ranges.</p><p>My personal range uses no steel, only paper targets shot at 10-20 yards for load development typically with rimfire or pistol rounds.</p><p>Our club range has steel and target stands on the range for our members to use. We have a requirement that all rounds that pass through or miss a target be required to hit the berm at 2-7' in height, with exception of special occasions where competitions are being held, again with NRA specifications.</p><p>We require all targets to be against the berms so ricochets would have to be almost vertical considering the height of the berms.</p><p>Now we enter into the conundrum of a public range and the requirements that the berms be so high.</p><p>When John Q Public shoots at your range, you always have the ones that do not understand or refuse to follow the safety rules because they just don't know how a bullet reacts when it hits an obstruction and becomes unstable, or has a partial hit on a target stand and becomes a ricochet.</p><p>The berm height is to mitigate the errant bullet and render it non lethal to those on the other side.</p><p>In the case of my personal 10' berm at home, I'm at close range with no steel, only paper for a target with a light wood target frame.</p><p>Nothing behind the berm for a mile or so but some cows possibly.</p><p>I also have had some issues with a neighbor that does not like gunfire that is 275 yards away that has given me the same LEO BS that Tony endured, and I don't shoot very often there. My berm is 180 degrees away from the neighbors house and I would have to shoot through my house to hit hers. </p><p>After one of the episodes where a GW explained to me that my shooting was making someone anti-gun, I said thanks, and then called a buddy and we shot around 200 rounds of clays over a couple of hours to demonstrate what real shooting was all about. Like it or not, she can't rule me.</p><p>There is no way in hell your going to take an anti-gunner and turn them around by aquising to their demands to not shoot. They win in that situation. </p><p>You move to the country to gain some freedom from draconian city rules and be more free. </p><p></p><p>I'm open to discussing any NRA range requirements and why they are required because you have some serious concerns and I respect that. We should all have safety with guns as our first requirement as responsible gun owners.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennishoddy, post: 3228644, member: 5412"] I'm the President of the Ponca City Rifle and Pistol Club. Over 300 members. Our range is designed and developed using the NRA range design specifications. I also have a personal range at home. I've read your concerns and agree with some of the safety considerations you have mentioned. In my opinion, as a responsible shooter and competition shooter as well as a certified range safety officer that doesn't take safety at the range lightly I have to add some comments. My personal range at home in the country has a 10' berm. Our club range has 20-30' berms depending on the NRA specifications for the distance within those ranges. My personal range uses no steel, only paper targets shot at 10-20 yards for load development typically with rimfire or pistol rounds. Our club range has steel and target stands on the range for our members to use. We have a requirement that all rounds that pass through or miss a target be required to hit the berm at 2-7' in height, with exception of special occasions where competitions are being held, again with NRA specifications. We require all targets to be against the berms so ricochets would have to be almost vertical considering the height of the berms. Now we enter into the conundrum of a public range and the requirements that the berms be so high. When John Q Public shoots at your range, you always have the ones that do not understand or refuse to follow the safety rules because they just don't know how a bullet reacts when it hits an obstruction and becomes unstable, or has a partial hit on a target stand and becomes a ricochet. The berm height is to mitigate the errant bullet and render it non lethal to those on the other side. In the case of my personal 10' berm at home, I'm at close range with no steel, only paper for a target with a light wood target frame. Nothing behind the berm for a mile or so but some cows possibly. I also have had some issues with a neighbor that does not like gunfire that is 275 yards away that has given me the same LEO BS that Tony endured, and I don't shoot very often there. My berm is 180 degrees away from the neighbors house and I would have to shoot through my house to hit hers. After one of the episodes where a GW explained to me that my shooting was making someone anti-gun, I said thanks, and then called a buddy and we shot around 200 rounds of clays over a couple of hours to demonstrate what real shooting was all about. Like it or not, she can't rule me. There is no way in hell your going to take an anti-gunner and turn them around by aquising to their demands to not shoot. They win in that situation. You move to the country to gain some freedom from draconian city rules and be more free. I'm open to discussing any NRA range requirements and why they are required because you have some serious concerns and I respect that. We should all have safety with guns as our first requirement as responsible gun owners. [/QUOTE]
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