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<blockquote data-quote="Frederick" data-source="post: 3022628" data-attributes="member: 17825"><p>I think you're misunderstanding my point.</p><p></p><p>My point is not that you should want to or seek to kill the other person, ultimately your goal is to stop the threat.</p><p></p><p>But you have to accept that <strong>a firearm is a lethal weapon</strong>, and often stopping the threat means killing. If you aren't willing to accept that premise, you shouldn't carry a firearm. If you carry a gun without the willingness to use it, that's dangerous.</p><p></p><p>The moment you bring out a firearm, you are creating an inherently deadly situation. There are no half measures when you're shooting someone. if you pull a gun, you have to be prepared to use it. and you must assume that your actions will result in the death of the other individual.</p><p></p><p>You took that very basic point -- you have to have the mindset and understanding that if you carry a gun you may very well have to kill someone in self-defense. you must be willing to use it -- and turned it into some sort of bloodlust whereby i encourage people to go around Jerome Ersland style shooting incapacitated attackers on the ground execution-style.</p><p></p><p>This woman is compromising her safety for the safety of the perpetrator. that's dangerous. She's choosing a .22 over a much more effective handgun round in order to minimize the chance of killing her attacker. the .22 is better than nothing, but she should carry a larger caliber with self-defense rounds IMO. She should be aware that even with a .22, a firearm is still a deadly weapon.</p><p></p><p>If she goes into a life or death situation unwilling to kill, that perp may very well take advantage of that because there are folks out there that don't have that compunction.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying you should <strong>want</strong> to kill, but that if you carry a gun, you should be prepared for that very likely outcome.</p><p></p><p>here's a good article on fatality rates;</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power" target="_blank">https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no shooting for the kneecaps in a real life or death situation, and you have to be prepared to end another human's life to protect your own, otherwise you have no business carrying a gun. Being <strong>prepared</strong> to end a life to protect yours is not the same as <strong>wanting</strong> to kill.</p><p></p><p>If she isn't willing to use her firearm because she's afraid she'll kill the other person, she's probably better off using pepper spray or a stun gun because it's more likely the bad guy is going to take her gun from her and use it on her or other victims than help her if she's not willing to use it for fear of killing the perp.</p><p></p><p>If you don't want to kill someone, don't carry a gun. because that's what guns are designed for. that's what they do. Even if that's not the ultimate goal of carrying a gun, that's the likely outcome. one has to accept that. if you're unwilling to accept that using a gun could potentially result in someone else losing their life, don't carry a gun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Frederick, post: 3022628, member: 17825"] I think you're misunderstanding my point. My point is not that you should want to or seek to kill the other person, ultimately your goal is to stop the threat. But you have to accept that [B]a firearm is a lethal weapon[/B], and often stopping the threat means killing. If you aren't willing to accept that premise, you shouldn't carry a firearm. If you carry a gun without the willingness to use it, that's dangerous. The moment you bring out a firearm, you are creating an inherently deadly situation. There are no half measures when you're shooting someone. if you pull a gun, you have to be prepared to use it. and you must assume that your actions will result in the death of the other individual. You took that very basic point -- you have to have the mindset and understanding that if you carry a gun you may very well have to kill someone in self-defense. you must be willing to use it -- and turned it into some sort of bloodlust whereby i encourage people to go around Jerome Ersland style shooting incapacitated attackers on the ground execution-style. This woman is compromising her safety for the safety of the perpetrator. that's dangerous. She's choosing a .22 over a much more effective handgun round in order to minimize the chance of killing her attacker. the .22 is better than nothing, but she should carry a larger caliber with self-defense rounds IMO. She should be aware that even with a .22, a firearm is still a deadly weapon. If she goes into a life or death situation unwilling to kill, that perp may very well take advantage of that because there are folks out there that don't have that compunction. I'm not saying you should [B]want[/B] to kill, but that if you carry a gun, you should be prepared for that very likely outcome. here's a good article on fatality rates; [URL]https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power[/URL] There's no shooting for the kneecaps in a real life or death situation, and you have to be prepared to end another human's life to protect your own, otherwise you have no business carrying a gun. Being [B]prepared[/B] to end a life to protect yours is not the same as [B]wanting[/B] to kill. If she isn't willing to use her firearm because she's afraid she'll kill the other person, she's probably better off using pepper spray or a stun gun because it's more likely the bad guy is going to take her gun from her and use it on her or other victims than help her if she's not willing to use it for fear of killing the perp. If you don't want to kill someone, don't carry a gun. because that's what guns are designed for. that's what they do. Even if that's not the ultimate goal of carrying a gun, that's the likely outcome. one has to accept that. if you're unwilling to accept that using a gun could potentially result in someone else losing their life, don't carry a gun. [/QUOTE]
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