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<blockquote data-quote="LBnM" data-source="post: 3211588" data-attributes="member: 817"><p>It is the pricing primarily. SIG has their IOP program just like the Glock blue label. In the case of the P229 it's a little different. There was a lot of dislike when SIG changed the specifications of the P229 to the P229-1. It was after Cohen became the boss and SIG went thru a time of many variants such as happened with Kimber. They tried to make a variant of most of their guns to boost sales. The QC also went down for awhile in the SIG line. The P229-1 is a much blockier version of the model. It also has the large external extractor that was developed only to cut cost. It had nothing to do with strength of .40 or .357 SIG. The long time SIG fans really disliked the move from the 228 sized to the new blocky one. An original P229 will fit in a P228 holster but easily fall out of a current P229-1 holster.The younger guys that had little experience with SIG ate up the newer versions with the rails and extreme beaver tails so SIG went away from the classic version except for special runs by distributors. Many of the fans of the classic P-series were people in LE that made purchasing decisions so they kept asking for the original design. The kicker was that in testing by some departments the new P229-1 did not work in some of the standard retention holsters the departments used, something to do with safety. The departments pitched such a fit that SIG provided them with what is now called the Legacy series. SIG had continued limited production of the Legacy P-series in special colors or configurations but they were not very popular because of what was considered the Cohen stamp on them. They were marketed as a "classic carry." The safety factor with some retention holsters drove SIG back to limited production of the Legacy models, most with rails. They marketed those guns primarily to the IOP program or LE purchasing, especially the non-railed version which is essentially a non-slicked down version of the popular SAS models. That is mine, purchased thru the IOP. To an old geezer like me the newer P229-1 feels like picking up a brick compared to the Legacy models. My primary backup to my P229 is a P220 Carry SAS .45 that fits the same P228 holsters I use. I also have a P220 with different color and rail that I use with a light for a house and woods gun. It doesn't carry nearly as well as my legacy models. The M11 is a legacy styled P229 on the -1 platform with some added features.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LBnM, post: 3211588, member: 817"] It is the pricing primarily. SIG has their IOP program just like the Glock blue label. In the case of the P229 it's a little different. There was a lot of dislike when SIG changed the specifications of the P229 to the P229-1. It was after Cohen became the boss and SIG went thru a time of many variants such as happened with Kimber. They tried to make a variant of most of their guns to boost sales. The QC also went down for awhile in the SIG line. The P229-1 is a much blockier version of the model. It also has the large external extractor that was developed only to cut cost. It had nothing to do with strength of .40 or .357 SIG. The long time SIG fans really disliked the move from the 228 sized to the new blocky one. An original P229 will fit in a P228 holster but easily fall out of a current P229-1 holster.The younger guys that had little experience with SIG ate up the newer versions with the rails and extreme beaver tails so SIG went away from the classic version except for special runs by distributors. Many of the fans of the classic P-series were people in LE that made purchasing decisions so they kept asking for the original design. The kicker was that in testing by some departments the new P229-1 did not work in some of the standard retention holsters the departments used, something to do with safety. The departments pitched such a fit that SIG provided them with what is now called the Legacy series. SIG had continued limited production of the Legacy P-series in special colors or configurations but they were not very popular because of what was considered the Cohen stamp on them. They were marketed as a "classic carry." The safety factor with some retention holsters drove SIG back to limited production of the Legacy models, most with rails. They marketed those guns primarily to the IOP program or LE purchasing, especially the non-railed version which is essentially a non-slicked down version of the popular SAS models. That is mine, purchased thru the IOP. To an old geezer like me the newer P229-1 feels like picking up a brick compared to the Legacy models. My primary backup to my P229 is a P220 Carry SAS .45 that fits the same P228 holsters I use. I also have a P220 with different color and rail that I use with a light for a house and woods gun. It doesn't carry nearly as well as my legacy models. The M11 is a legacy styled P229 on the -1 platform with some added features. [/QUOTE]
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