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<blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 3251649" data-attributes="member: 5412"><p>The system has been failing for a long time. Suicides run about 20 a day or 8000 per year among veterans, mostly. There is no de-programming services available to release the veteran from what has been programmed into their 18 year old mushy minds for the most part.</p><p>The VA does offer services and counseling if your willing to admit or show signs of PTSD, but if not, there is very little follow up unless you ask for it. If you do, there is substantial help to be gained.</p><p>I gleaned this from what should be a fairly reputable source.</p><p></p><p>This summer the Department of Veterans Affairs released its second <a href="https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/docs/data-sheets/OMHSP_National_Suicide_Data_Report_2005-2015_06-14-18_508-compliant.pdf" target="_blank">VA National Suicide Data Report</a>. This report, again representing a joint effort between the VA, analysts, and researchers, assesses <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/suicide" target="_blank">suicide</a> data from 2005 to 2015. Its predecessor, released in 2012, gave rise to the widely held <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/spirituality" target="_blank">belief</a> that 22 veterans a day die by suicide. This report adjusts that figure by two, establishing a number closer to 20 a day--a number which has reportedly remained constant from 2008-2015. Moreover, the report states that this number also includes active duty service members, National Guard, and Reservists.</p><p></p><p>This report farther breaks down that number into those using VA-provided care (six per day), Veterans not utilizing VA services (11 a day), and those currently on active duty, National Guard, and/or in the Reserves (four a day). Perhaps, most importantly, it contains information on <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/race-and-ethnicity" target="_blank">ethnicity</a>, era of service, and age group comparisons. </p><p></p><p>The result is a refutation of the current belief that younger veterans, or those of the Global War on Terror generation (post-9/11 veterans), account for the bulk of veteran suicides. In fact, veterans who served during peacetime (i.e. the years between major conflicts) account for one-third of deaths by suicide in 2015.</p><p></p><p>While rates of suicide were highest among younger veterans (ages 18–34) and lowest among older veterans (ages 55 and older), veterans ages 55 and older accounted for 58.1 percent of all veteran suicide deaths in 2015. <em>[<a href="https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/docs/data-sheets/2015_Data_Release_FAQs_508.pdf" target="_blank">Suicide rate</a>: A suicide rate divides the number of suicide deaths by the relevant population size for a period of time.]</em></p><p></p><p>With veterans over the age of 50 accounting for <a href="http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/10/the-changing-face-of-americas-veteran-population/" target="_blank">73 percent </a>of the entire veteran population, it makes numerical sense they account for the majority of veteran death by suicides. From a phenomenological perspective it also fits, as the bulk of suicides in America are <a href="https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/" target="_blank">overwhelmingly middle-aged men</a>.</p><p></p><p>The higher suicide rate among younger service members and veterans (age 18-34) is concerning and harder to understand. A commonly used key demographic bracket (18-34) in research, the belief is that those that fall within that cohort share similar experiences or characteristics. However, for anyone that has spent time in the military, the experience of an 18 year old on his or her first tour of duty is vastly different from a 32 year old, non-commissioned officer, with multiple deployments who has transitioned out. Unfortunately, the report does not shed more light on where the burden is most significant in that population.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-debrief/201808/the-va-releases-second-national-suicide-data-report" target="_blank">https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-debrief/201808/the-va-releases-second-national-suicide-data-report</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennishoddy, post: 3251649, member: 5412"] The system has been failing for a long time. Suicides run about 20 a day or 8000 per year among veterans, mostly. There is no de-programming services available to release the veteran from what has been programmed into their 18 year old mushy minds for the most part. The VA does offer services and counseling if your willing to admit or show signs of PTSD, but if not, there is very little follow up unless you ask for it. If you do, there is substantial help to be gained. I gleaned this from what should be a fairly reputable source. This summer the Department of Veterans Affairs released its second [URL='https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/docs/data-sheets/OMHSP_National_Suicide_Data_Report_2005-2015_06-14-18_508-compliant.pdf']VA National Suicide Data Report[/URL]. This report, again representing a joint effort between the VA, analysts, and researchers, assesses [URL='https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/suicide']suicide[/URL] data from 2005 to 2015. Its predecessor, released in 2012, gave rise to the widely held [URL='https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/spirituality']belief[/URL] that 22 veterans a day die by suicide. This report adjusts that figure by two, establishing a number closer to 20 a day--a number which has reportedly remained constant from 2008-2015. Moreover, the report states that this number also includes active duty service members, National Guard, and Reservists. This report farther breaks down that number into those using VA-provided care (six per day), Veterans not utilizing VA services (11 a day), and those currently on active duty, National Guard, and/or in the Reserves (four a day). Perhaps, most importantly, it contains information on [URL='https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/race-and-ethnicity']ethnicity[/URL], era of service, and age group comparisons. The result is a refutation of the current belief that younger veterans, or those of the Global War on Terror generation (post-9/11 veterans), account for the bulk of veteran suicides. In fact, veterans who served during peacetime (i.e. the years between major conflicts) account for one-third of deaths by suicide in 2015. While rates of suicide were highest among younger veterans (ages 18–34) and lowest among older veterans (ages 55 and older), veterans ages 55 and older accounted for 58.1 percent of all veteran suicide deaths in 2015. [I][[URL='https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/docs/data-sheets/2015_Data_Release_FAQs_508.pdf']Suicide rate[/URL]: A suicide rate divides the number of suicide deaths by the relevant population size for a period of time.][/I] With veterans over the age of 50 accounting for [URL='http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/10/the-changing-face-of-americas-veteran-population/']73 percent [/URL]of the entire veteran population, it makes numerical sense they account for the majority of veteran death by suicides. From a phenomenological perspective it also fits, as the bulk of suicides in America are [URL='https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/']overwhelmingly middle-aged men[/URL]. The higher suicide rate among younger service members and veterans (age 18-34) is concerning and harder to understand. A commonly used key demographic bracket (18-34) in research, the belief is that those that fall within that cohort share similar experiences or characteristics. However, for anyone that has spent time in the military, the experience of an 18 year old on his or her first tour of duty is vastly different from a 32 year old, non-commissioned officer, with multiple deployments who has transitioned out. Unfortunately, the report does not shed more light on where the burden is most significant in that population. [URL]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-debrief/201808/the-va-releases-second-national-suicide-data-report[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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