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<blockquote data-quote="sethk" data-source="post: 2333213" data-attributes="member: 31522"><p>BB, I'm with you on this one. A Prius and a Hummer are, in fact related...to a degree of course. They are more related than a Hummer and a Harley on most levels and they are much more closely related than a Prius and a Pineapple are. Commonality and relation come in degrees. One can always argue that a claim is wrong because it places too much emphasis on a relationship or metaphor. Still, one should always be careful about dismissing comparisons offhand. It's all a matter of degree and context. </p><p></p><p>And now for some closing thoughts on this topic/discussion: </p><p></p><p>-Childhood maltreatment is something that happens to a lot of [i.e. far too many] people. This impacts these peoples lives and demonstrably changes the way their brains work. Being abused doesn't "make" a person anything. Tons of wonderful, kind, and decent people were abused as children. That said, childhood maltreatment is definitely a contributing factor to the development of a person into an abusive adult (with the extreme being serial child rapists and the like). This is not a matter of strict causality. There are many other factors at play here. So, as with any other outcome or even in the world, there are reasons and causes, complex as they may be, for why people like this exist. Understanding those reasons (and not simply writing them off as non-humans who just randomly escaped from hell into their mother's tummies) is important in talking about how to deal with these sort of people and to stop and prevent this sort of thing from happening.</p><p></p><p>-We do not live in some sort of anarchic, circle-of-life society. Which is a good thing since the whole abusive, psychopathic type tend to thrive in those sort of circumstances. We live in a society that makes an attempt (however flawed the implementation might be) to seek liberty and justice through a legal and punitive system. When a prisoner--whatever his crime or level of a-holeness--is gutted in a prison, that is a breakdown of the system. However we feel about the individuals involved or even like the outcome, that is something that we should always work to prevent. </p><p></p><p>-The previous statement should apply regardless of whether or not you believe that anyone who rapes a child should necessarily be put to death. Heck, maybe some folks believe that all child molesters should be disemboweled with improvised knives. That wouldn't change the legal and moral wrongness that exists in situations like this. </p><p></p><p>-This topic is, by it's very nature, very much tied up with emotions and individual situations. We should not ignore this aspect, and it should inform our thoughts and policies. But, it's also true that we should not let our emotions and personal experiences overshadow or get in the way of our assessment of justice and the shaping of our institutions and policies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sethk, post: 2333213, member: 31522"] BB, I'm with you on this one. A Prius and a Hummer are, in fact related...to a degree of course. They are more related than a Hummer and a Harley on most levels and they are much more closely related than a Prius and a Pineapple are. Commonality and relation come in degrees. One can always argue that a claim is wrong because it places too much emphasis on a relationship or metaphor. Still, one should always be careful about dismissing comparisons offhand. It's all a matter of degree and context. And now for some closing thoughts on this topic/discussion: -Childhood maltreatment is something that happens to a lot of [i.e. far too many] people. This impacts these peoples lives and demonstrably changes the way their brains work. Being abused doesn't "make" a person anything. Tons of wonderful, kind, and decent people were abused as children. That said, childhood maltreatment is definitely a contributing factor to the development of a person into an abusive adult (with the extreme being serial child rapists and the like). This is not a matter of strict causality. There are many other factors at play here. So, as with any other outcome or even in the world, there are reasons and causes, complex as they may be, for why people like this exist. Understanding those reasons (and not simply writing them off as non-humans who just randomly escaped from hell into their mother's tummies) is important in talking about how to deal with these sort of people and to stop and prevent this sort of thing from happening. -We do not live in some sort of anarchic, circle-of-life society. Which is a good thing since the whole abusive, psychopathic type tend to thrive in those sort of circumstances. We live in a society that makes an attempt (however flawed the implementation might be) to seek liberty and justice through a legal and punitive system. When a prisoner--whatever his crime or level of a-holeness--is gutted in a prison, that is a breakdown of the system. However we feel about the individuals involved or even like the outcome, that is something that we should always work to prevent. -The previous statement should apply regardless of whether or not you believe that anyone who rapes a child should necessarily be put to death. Heck, maybe some folks believe that all child molesters should be disemboweled with improvised knives. That wouldn't change the legal and moral wrongness that exists in situations like this. -This topic is, by it's very nature, very much tied up with emotions and individual situations. We should not ignore this aspect, and it should inform our thoughts and policies. But, it's also true that we should not let our emotions and personal experiences overshadow or get in the way of our assessment of justice and the shaping of our institutions and policies. [/QUOTE]
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