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Three of Five Oklahoma Representatives Vote For Red Flag Language in HR1620 (Violence Against Women Act.)
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<blockquote data-quote="HonkyCat" data-source="post: 3653436" data-attributes="member: 48939"><p>If you aren’t familiar with them, a red flag law is a gun control law that allows a family member or law enforcement to petition to the courts to order the temporary removal of all firearms that a person possesses if the court agrees with the petitioner that the person may present a danger to themselves or others. This petition and granting of a removal order could be done completely without notice to the person possessing the firearms and that person would be given no opportunity to respond until <em>after</em>their firearms are confiscated.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is yet another attempt by the gun grabbers to incrementally add laws to the books that allow the government to take people’s firearms away from them with absolutely no opportunity to respond and prevent the confiscation. People who write these laws have apparently never read the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps the gun grabbers see “due process of law” differently, but I fail to see how forcibly taking someone’s property <em>before</em> giving that person an opportunity to oppose the seizure is constitutional. The Supreme Court agrees.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The really interesting part of all this is that Oklahoma is the one and only state that has an anti-red flag law. Authored by Senator Nathan Dahm, R-Broken Arrow, SB1081 prohibits the state or any city, county, or political subdivision from enacting red flag laws. It also prohibits accepting any grants or funding to enact red flag laws. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Even more interesting is that Bice was in the Oklahoma Senate in 2020 and she voted in favor of the bill.</p><p></p><p>So, to be fair here, is it possible that Bice, Lucas, and Cole did not know this red flag provision was in the NDAA when they voted for it? I suppose that is a possibility since it is a 1,300-page bill. There were 135 Republicans, including former Navy SEAL Rep. Dan Crenshaw, who voted Yea. People in Congress vote on bills all that time and have no clue what they say. But is that an acceptable excuse?</p><p></p><p>In Bice’s case, I will definitely not allow that excuse. Bice was able to get some changes made to the NDAA bill while it was still being considered by the House Armed Services Committee. She released a <a href="https://bice.house.gov/media/press-releases/bice-statement-passage-national-defense-authorization-act?utm_source=pocket_mylist" target="_blank">statement</a> about the changes and her support for the bill.</p><p></p><p></p><p>She and her staff were in this bill enough to know about this unconstitutional red flag provision, but she voted for it anyway. No, this is another instance of Bice and all the other Republicans who voted yes being willing to vote Yes on a horrendous bill because it has some things in it that they want. </p><p>Whether or not this bill survives the Senate remains to be seen. Republican Senators might not be so willing to openly vote for a gun grabber provision now that everybody knows it’s in there. They will have no excuse. But, as far as I and all other 2nd Amendment supporters are concerned, Bice and all the House Republicans who voted Yea also have no excuse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HonkyCat, post: 3653436, member: 48939"] If you aren’t familiar with them, a red flag law is a gun control law that allows a family member or law enforcement to petition to the courts to order the temporary removal of all firearms that a person possesses if the court agrees with the petitioner that the person may present a danger to themselves or others. This petition and granting of a removal order could be done completely without notice to the person possessing the firearms and that person would be given no opportunity to respond until [I]after[/I]their firearms are confiscated. This is yet another attempt by the gun grabbers to incrementally add laws to the books that allow the government to take people’s firearms away from them with absolutely no opportunity to respond and prevent the confiscation. People who write these laws have apparently never read the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution. Perhaps the gun grabbers see “due process of law” differently, but I fail to see how forcibly taking someone’s property [I]before[/I] giving that person an opportunity to oppose the seizure is constitutional. The Supreme Court agrees. The really interesting part of all this is that Oklahoma is the one and only state that has an anti-red flag law. Authored by Senator Nathan Dahm, R-Broken Arrow, SB1081 prohibits the state or any city, county, or political subdivision from enacting red flag laws. It also prohibits accepting any grants or funding to enact red flag laws. Even more interesting is that Bice was in the Oklahoma Senate in 2020 and she voted in favor of the bill. So, to be fair here, is it possible that Bice, Lucas, and Cole did not know this red flag provision was in the NDAA when they voted for it? I suppose that is a possibility since it is a 1,300-page bill. There were 135 Republicans, including former Navy SEAL Rep. Dan Crenshaw, who voted Yea. People in Congress vote on bills all that time and have no clue what they say. But is that an acceptable excuse? In Bice’s case, I will definitely not allow that excuse. Bice was able to get some changes made to the NDAA bill while it was still being considered by the House Armed Services Committee. She released a [URL='https://bice.house.gov/media/press-releases/bice-statement-passage-national-defense-authorization-act?utm_source=pocket_mylist']statement[/URL] about the changes and her support for the bill. She and her staff were in this bill enough to know about this unconstitutional red flag provision, but she voted for it anyway. No, this is another instance of Bice and all the other Republicans who voted yes being willing to vote Yes on a horrendous bill because it has some things in it that they want. Whether or not this bill survives the Senate remains to be seen. Republican Senators might not be so willing to openly vote for a gun grabber provision now that everybody knows it’s in there. They will have no excuse. But, as far as I and all other 2nd Amendment supporters are concerned, Bice and all the House Republicans who voted Yea also have no excuse. [/QUOTE]
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