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<blockquote data-quote="HMCS(FMF)Ret." data-source="post: 1506719" data-attributes="member: 12635"><p>That's exactly it...I think the way you're reading the section is assuming that all three "predicates" must be met. I'm saying that the attack portion applies to the fact that you don't have to run or give up ground. That doesn't change the portion that states you can defend yourself or others if they are in danger of being killed/danger of serious bodily harm or to prevent a forcible felony. This section <strong>doesn't</strong> specifically say that all items must be met or you can't defend yourself or another. It states that if attacked you don't have to give up ground and can defend yourself or others with lethal force to keep from being injured. By your logic, if someone pulls a gun on a clerk, a CC must stand by and watch everyone in the store get killed before they defend themselves. Come on, you can't believe that baloney. You're over-reading the article.</p><p></p><p>Here's what Wikipedia says about the SYG law:</p><p></p><p>In Oklahoma (according to the Oklahoma State Courts Network), the amendment changes a number of other aspects of the Oklahoma Self Defense Act, the statutes concerning justifiable homicide. As 21 O.S. 2001, Section 1289.25 now lists circumstances in which it is presumed that a person who uses deadly force "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony." In addition, it helps to protect law-abiding citizens from arrest when using deadly force. Law enforcement agencies must now have probable cause to believe that the use of deadly force was unlawful before an arrest can be made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HMCS(FMF)Ret., post: 1506719, member: 12635"] That's exactly it...I think the way you're reading the section is assuming that all three "predicates" must be met. I'm saying that the attack portion applies to the fact that you don't have to run or give up ground. That doesn't change the portion that states you can defend yourself or others if they are in danger of being killed/danger of serious bodily harm or to prevent a forcible felony. This section [B]doesn't[/B] specifically say that all items must be met or you can't defend yourself or another. It states that if attacked you don't have to give up ground and can defend yourself or others with lethal force to keep from being injured. By your logic, if someone pulls a gun on a clerk, a CC must stand by and watch everyone in the store get killed before they defend themselves. Come on, you can't believe that baloney. You're over-reading the article. Here's what Wikipedia says about the SYG law: In Oklahoma (according to the Oklahoma State Courts Network), the amendment changes a number of other aspects of the Oklahoma Self Defense Act, the statutes concerning justifiable homicide. As 21 O.S. 2001, Section 1289.25 now lists circumstances in which it is presumed that a person who uses deadly force "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony." In addition, it helps to protect law-abiding citizens from arrest when using deadly force. Law enforcement agencies must now have probable cause to believe that the use of deadly force was unlawful before an arrest can be made. [/QUOTE]
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