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Make no mistake, some people in charge of this country's overall economy, simply don't care that their decisions will ultimately ruin this experiment in freedom. The fix is in and most of them believe they'll be able to stay above the collapse line in the end.

Mugsy is right, the CEO and shareholders who approve of sending those jobs to Mexico have the right to do so. As an American, I have the right to say they're horrible, awful creatures who are destroying our country, without care or remorse. If they die in a fire because their faulty products burn their mansions down, I'll not shed a tear. I won't have to worry about that, because I'll never buy one of their ****** products, and I'll advise everyone I know not to either.

Decisions have consequences. I hope they come to regret theirs.

Welcome to Walmart's America.
 

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This is really simple - it isn't "our" company. Carrier is a firm owned by stockholders who can and should be able to decide what they are going to do with the company including hiring/firing officers and setting executive compensation through the board of directors (or whatever governing structure they have). Period, end of story. Start your own company or buy Carrier stock or establish a holding company to pool money and buy stock. However, until you are the owner stop acting like you (or I) have any say in how the company is run beyond basic health and safety standards set in law.

And we as consumers have the right to stop buying Carrier products .. it's that simple, vote with your wallet.

we as consumers/voters also have a right to decide how our country treats those companies that send jobs to another country. don't believe that BS/horsemanure about major corporations like Carrier about moving to another country to be competitive. it's all about increasing profits!!! Carrier wants to reduce it's labor costs and take advantage of being able to import those same products back to USA to sell without penalties.

Trump is right about wanting to change the system to put a penalty for corporations wanting to export jobs outside of USA and still be able to sell those same products without penalties in the USA.
 

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Talk is cheap. All the "we the consumers have the power" is short-lived. How many of you have refused to buy Bridgestone/Firestone/Dayton/Bandag/etc. tires because they shut down the OKC plant and moved to Mexico? I stood on the manufacturing floor and listened to them deliver the exact same speech you see in the Carrier video, only they gave most of us less than 6 months before termination. That was more than 3000 local jobs...gone.

Less than a year prior to this, GM shut their plant down in OKC. How many have refused to buy a GM/Chevrolet vehicle since then? Over 5000 local jobs...gone.

Nope. Bridgestone and GM are as profitable as ever, and are very successfully selling products all over, including...you guessed it...OKC. lmao

Nearly all of the people building cookie-cutter houses, or replacing their worn out AC units, will buy Carrier units just as they always have. The company executives will make more money, the workers less money, and the consumers will give zero fu!cks.
 

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Again, in my opinion, the company bottom line is the reason they and others have moved. Why did they have to make that decision? I do not think Shareholders care if the product sold is manufactured by union or non-union workers, or where the manufacturing is located, as long as there is a profit to increase stock prices. Consumers are the same looking for value or have no choice. Try to purchase a TV made in USA by all those nasty product manufactures that could not reach EPA standards. I do not intentionally invest in companies to intentionally loose money, how about you?

Differences in wages is only one part, but I believe USA taxes and regulations are the biggest part. If you own a business, it seems no part of the many agencies of government is your friend to help you survive, squeezing as much as they can from every direction does significantly affect your bottom line, increasingly close to the point of no return for many businesses

Some businesses decide to take drastic actions before they become a victim like many others.

You are seeing the results of creeping socialism from both sides and every self ruling government agency, most having little or no oversight, making up their own rules, regulations, and fines as they go.

At some point something has to give. Don't like it, but it seems that is the way it is.
 

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Management at that facility should be arrested on suspicion of treason and executed.

all their assets should be seized by the Government and redistributed to American buinesses. Anyone who participated in this 'transition' should have their citizenship revoked and put on a ship in the middle of the Atlantic ocean to fend for themselves.

NAFTA should be repealed.
 

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Management at that facility should be arrested on suspicion of treason and executed.

all their assets should be seized by the Government and redistributed to American buinesses. Anyone who participated in this 'transition' should have their citizenship revoked and put on a ship in the middle of the Atlantic ocean to fend for themselves.

NAFTA should be repealed.
You realize what your sounding like? Your voting for Sanders it appears.
 

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You realize what your sounding like? Your voting for Sanders it appears.

Sanders? No, i' m on the opposite end of the spectrum.

You are a: Socialist Totalitarian Ultranationalist Traditionalist

Collectivism score: 67%
Authoritarianism score: 100%
Internationalism score: 0%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -33%
 

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Sanders? No, i' m on the opposite end of the spectrum.

You are a: Socialist Totalitarian Ultranationalist Traditionalist

Collectivism score: 67%
Authoritarianism score: 100%
Internationalism score: 0%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -33%

Actually, you aren't. Collectivism is synonymous with socialism and authoritarianism is synonymous with statism. The State seizing private assets is exactly what Bernie's brand of collectivism is all about. In other words, Bernie Sanders more accurately represents your stated views better than any other candidate in the last 30 years.

You should be working on his Oklahoma campaign team dude. ;)
 

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Actually, you aren't. Collectivism is synonymous with socialism and authoritarianism is synonymous with statism. The State seizing private assets is exactly what Bernie's brand of collectivism is all about. In other words, Bernie Sanders more accurately represents your stated views better than any other candidate in the last 30 years.

You should be working on his Oklahoma campaign team dude. ;)

Economically perhaps. I believe the economy should be regulated to work for the People and the State. but my ideas regarding how to deal with illegals and enemies of the State probably wouldn't be to his liking. Neither my hawkish views on foreign policy or my conservative views regarding marriage, religion, sexuality, abortion, gun laws, etc etc. Although you are accusing me of being statist, a claim i can't deny, really, you are comparing me with someone who is not just statist, but socially liberal.

I believe that with the strong socially liberal movement we have in this country, we need a strong government to suppress those ideas and movements and enforce conservative ideals. such a policy was not necessary in the '50s and '60s when the overwhelming societal theme was conservative, God-fearing and patriotically reverent.

If you can get Bernie Sanders to say he would charge people with first degree murder for performing an abortion then i'll reconsider my stance.
 

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Economically perhaps. I believe the economy should work for the People and the State. but my ideas regarding how to deal with illegals and enemies of the State probably wouldn't be to his liking. Neither my hawkish views on foreign policy or my conservative views regarding marriage, religion, sexuality, abortion, gun laws, etc etc. Although you are accusing me of being statist, a claim i can't deny, really, you are comparing me with someone who is not just statist, but socially liberal.

I believe that with the strong socially liberal movement we have in this country, we need a strong government to suppress those ideas and movements and enforce conservative ideals. such a policy was not necessary in the '50s and '60s when the overwhelming societal theme was conservative, God-fearing and patriotically reverent.

If you can get Bernie Sanders to say he would charge people with first degree murder for performing an abortion then i'll reconsider my stance.

It's laughable that you believe in gun rights, when in every other important way, your views are anathema to freedom and liberty. What you really are is an elitist, who only wants true freedom and liberty for yourself and those who agree with you on everything. Your brand of "conservatism" is revolting.
 

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