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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 2531465" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>All you've proven so far is that both the left and the right use illegal immigrants as pawns, nothing more. </p><p></p><p>I say we give legal status the ones who PAY their hospital bills, MAINTAIN insurance on the cars they drive and PAY TAXES for their kids who go to school. I also say give legal status to those who JOIN the military to defend this country, LEARN English and assimilate to this society, rather than making America into North Mexico. Seems to me you'd be proud of the culture that took you in when you had nothing and gave you opportunities to better yourself and your lot in life.</p><p></p><p>For those who expect to get every benefit this country has to offer, but refuse to contribute to it's continued prosperity, I have a different idea. We take those folks who are detained and process them. Not for release and not for deportation (yet), but we sub them out as laborers for those farms and constrution companies that would use undocumented day laborers and instead of paying the laborers, they pay the government. The laborers work for a specified time at which they've PAID for their own deportation. In the interim, we feed and house them in the same manner we feed and house our troops in the field. If GP tents and MRE's are good enough for our troops, they're good enough for them. </p><p></p><p>They'd also have the option to "bond out" by having someone in Mexico pay for their return. Or, if Mexico is so concerned about their welfare, THEY can pay the U.S. to return them immediately. Everything I've outlined is vastly superior to how Mexico treats illegal immigrant detainees, so I'm not sure how they could reasonable object. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The formula is still incomplete, so let's address those companies still using illegal immigrants so they can skip out on taxes. Every company in the U.S. (and even individuals) can use E-Verify to confirm employment eligibility for prospective employees. <a href="http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify" target="_blank">http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify</a> Pay the states to cross-reference business licenses against E-Verify enrollment. If they're not enrolled, notify them to enroll. If after a grace period they do not enroll, schedule them for inspection. If it's discovered that they are employing illegal immigrants, fine the bloody hell out of them! If they're enrolled in E-Verify and can show that they DID check the worker and got approval, they are immune from fines for that person who ultimately proved to be an illegal immigrant. </p><p></p><p>When they're caught employing illegal immigrants, the individual owner/operator are placed on a list. Simply closing the company and opening a new one will not hit the restart button for them. Individual personal responsibility is the key to success.</p><p></p><p>I also have ideas on what to do with those American citizens who refuse to live up to their responsibilities as citizens. Sure, we help the poor and underpriviliged, but no more free handouts with no expectations from them. If you want something, you need to be willing to DO something in return! Even if it's just volunteer work in a shelter, soup kitchen, crisis hotline, picking up trash or whatever, you get to CONTRIBUTE for your helping hand up/out. </p><p></p><p>JMO, YMMV</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 2531465, member: 1132"] All you've proven so far is that both the left and the right use illegal immigrants as pawns, nothing more. I say we give legal status the ones who PAY their hospital bills, MAINTAIN insurance on the cars they drive and PAY TAXES for their kids who go to school. I also say give legal status to those who JOIN the military to defend this country, LEARN English and assimilate to this society, rather than making America into North Mexico. Seems to me you'd be proud of the culture that took you in when you had nothing and gave you opportunities to better yourself and your lot in life. For those who expect to get every benefit this country has to offer, but refuse to contribute to it's continued prosperity, I have a different idea. We take those folks who are detained and process them. Not for release and not for deportation (yet), but we sub them out as laborers for those farms and constrution companies that would use undocumented day laborers and instead of paying the laborers, they pay the government. The laborers work for a specified time at which they've PAID for their own deportation. In the interim, we feed and house them in the same manner we feed and house our troops in the field. If GP tents and MRE's are good enough for our troops, they're good enough for them. They'd also have the option to "bond out" by having someone in Mexico pay for their return. Or, if Mexico is so concerned about their welfare, THEY can pay the U.S. to return them immediately. Everything I've outlined is vastly superior to how Mexico treats illegal immigrant detainees, so I'm not sure how they could reasonable object. :) The formula is still incomplete, so let's address those companies still using illegal immigrants so they can skip out on taxes. Every company in the U.S. (and even individuals) can use E-Verify to confirm employment eligibility for prospective employees. [url]http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify[/url] Pay the states to cross-reference business licenses against E-Verify enrollment. If they're not enrolled, notify them to enroll. If after a grace period they do not enroll, schedule them for inspection. If it's discovered that they are employing illegal immigrants, fine the bloody hell out of them! If they're enrolled in E-Verify and can show that they DID check the worker and got approval, they are immune from fines for that person who ultimately proved to be an illegal immigrant. When they're caught employing illegal immigrants, the individual owner/operator are placed on a list. Simply closing the company and opening a new one will not hit the restart button for them. Individual personal responsibility is the key to success. I also have ideas on what to do with those American citizens who refuse to live up to their responsibilities as citizens. Sure, we help the poor and underpriviliged, but no more free handouts with no expectations from them. If you want something, you need to be willing to DO something in return! Even if it's just volunteer work in a shelter, soup kitchen, crisis hotline, picking up trash or whatever, you get to CONTRIBUTE for your helping hand up/out. JMO, YMMV [/QUOTE]
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