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[farmerbyron]

I think this carton captures the gist of this thread.

The parents are the number one factor in the supposed decline of education. Teachers only have the kids for 7 hours a day minus lunch and recess. The parents have them the other 17. But let's dogpile on the teachers why don't we?

 

[dennishoddy]

I think this carton captures the gist of this thread.

The parents are the number one factor in the supposed decline of education. Teachers only have the kids for 7 hours a day minus lunch and recess. The parents have them the other 17. But let's dogpile on the teachers why don't we?

That's pretty much the way it is now. Even when my kids were growing up in school in the 80's, I couldn't help them with their math homework. I could always show them a way to solve the problem, or diagram English, but they said they couldn't do it that way. It had to be done the way the teacher said, and not the way I showed them.

Went to the PTA, and basically got the answer from the teacher that her hands were tied and had to teach the way the school system said she had to. Some of that crap made no sense at all.

 

[crrcboatz]

Don't you know we know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING?

Oh but this lot would love for us to think that. A gentleman I once worked for had a theory on attorneys. With the graduation of each 10 from law school, shoot the first 9 and send the remaining one left back for an additional 9 yrs in school. Probably some truth to that. I don't dislike attorneys, I just dislike what they do for a living!

 

[dennishoddy]

Oh but this lot would love for us to think that. A gentleman I once worked for had a theory on attorneys. With the graduation of each 10 from law school, shoot the first 9 and send the remaining one left back for an additional 9 yrs in school. Probably some truth to that. I don't dislike attorneys, I just dislike what they do for a living!

Wait until you really need somebody to right a wrong you've been exposed to.

When you have to shoot somebody on the street because they were beating you to rob you, who are you going to call when the cops arrest you.
Your momma?

 

[Lurker66]

This thread is funny. Where does Oklahoma rank as far as education? How bout we ask what the top 5 states do differently?

My kids both went to schools in PA, when we moved here, they went from middle if the pack to genius.

The solution isnt really that hard, whats hard is trying to change the attitudes of stuck in the 50s Okies. 3 Rs and all that bla bla non sense.

Follow the lead of any one of the top 5 educated states.

 

[n2sooners]

I think this carton captures the gist of this thread.

The parents are the number one factor in the supposed decline of education. Teachers only have the kids for 7 hours a day minus lunch and recess. The parents have them the other 17. But let's dogpile on the teachers why don't we?

I'd say it sums up the fact that stereotypes are bad. My son's grades were dropping and we wanted to find out why. Some teachers were more than willing to help, while getting help from others was like pulling teeth. Turns out he wasn't doing all his homework. He made good grades on the work he did, but zeroes kill grade point averages. Point is, there are good teachers and bad teachers same as the are good parents and bad parents. And most probably fall somewhere in the middle.

 

[stromtomb]

So....teachers are whats wrong with education? What a twisted statement....when you went to college the students in the college of ed were low performing? Glad you don't stereotype. Grow up.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Let me try again(I'm not an educator). The gpa averages in the college of ed were lower than in the other studies. I was speaking in general terms (like blaming uneducated parents for the uneducated children).
So sorry if I stepped on any toes.

 

[rawhide]

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Let me try again(I'm not an educator). The gpa averages in the college of ed were lower than in the other studies. I was speaking in general terms (like blaming uneducated parents for the uneducated children).
So sorry if I stepped on any toes.

How would one know the GPA of students in college of ed were lower? And if one did know wouldn't those GPA's be relative? And, how important would a college student's GPA (except failing) be in determining their effectiveness as a classroom teacher? Are the only effective parents those who went to college and graduated with high GPAs?

 

[crrcboatz]

How would one know the GPA of students in college of ed were lower? And if one did know wouldn't those GPA's be relative? And, how important would a college student's GPA (except failing) be in determining their effectiveness as a classroom teacher? Are the only effective parents those who went to college and graduated with high GPAs?

Home Run!! I really like this

 

[Johnjosiah]

Common core was not as big of a deal to the educators (at least more rural) as her support for Charter Schools. Charter schools would basically take the best students from a district and leave the "regular" school with what is left but the same expectations and less money. If you take the top 10% of students from a small school it would destroy that schools "grades" in a matter of seconds. They thrive, academics wise, off the the top few percent of students. If you have a class of 80-90 students and 6-8 score in the the high 20s or low 30s on the ACT or very well on EOI it really helps the school overall. Some students just don't care and mark "c" all the way down a test.

Our basic education problem IMHO is we try to educate everyone to go to college. I would be happy if the we could just teach the masses enough math to count my change back right or be able to figure out I get a quarter back from $1.77 when I give them $2.02. We compare ourselves to countries that separate out the students at an early age to academics or "craft"/trade school. Then we compare our selves to the academic student only population. All of our students can not compare to the top X% of their students.

We will have common core to some degree just like we now have outcome based education (90s hot topic). They will just stop talking about it or give it a different name.

Who ever said parental involvement was the difference hit the nail on the head.