West Norman shooting yesterday; shooter was CLEET instructor

[WoodsCraft]

There is no guarantee OC is going to prevent an attack. I've had people literally wipe it from their eyes and keep coming. The same thing can be said for tasers, you can't be 100% certain either is going to stop someone.

I personally watched someone pull taser probes from his chest and get very violent. It took 6 of us in the jail to subdue him . True story that guy was a beast and yes he was on drugs

 

[okcBob]

The above proves you have more sympathy for violent criminals than the victims of their crimes . As I said we just aren't going to agree no point in continuing

Well, can’t argue with that kind of logic, lol. Holy crap

 

[Pstmstr]

I personally watched someone pull taser probes from his chest and get very violent. It took 6 of us in the jail to subdue him . True story that guy was a beast and yes he was on drugs

I believe it. If a cop just shot the guy the bleeding hearts would want to know why didn’t you try the taser or a hug first.

 

[WoodsCraft]

Well, can’t argue with that kind of logic, lol. Holy crap

We do not agree its really simple , you've high a high minded and fantasy land application of principles . I have a realistic view point. Don't do criminal stuff to your fellow man and bad things won't happen to you .

I will go so far as to say the Ersland trial made me change my mind about jury duty to some degree. if ever there was a case for nullification to have set that right . That was the case.

 

[okcBob]

That’s an absurd statement. I think violent criminals are scum & if they are shot in self defense, im all for it. No sympathy at all.
I just don’t endorse murder. For example, of a violent criminal is caught & handcuffed. I wouldn’t shoot him & kill him afterwards cause it’s really dumb. That’s where we’re different

 

[WoodsCraft]

That’s an absurd statement. I think violent criminals are scum & if they are shot in self defense, im all for it. No sympathy at all.
I just don’t endorse murder. For example, of a violent criminal is caught & handcuffed. I wouldn’t shoot him & kill him afterwards cause it’s really dumb. That’s where we’re different

Show me where those gang bangers were handcuffed in that shooting video

 

[TedKennedy]

I wouldn't give a crap if Ersland or Kennedy shot, raped, dismembered and burned those guys.

Wouldn't happen if they - the criminals - didn't commit the crime to start with.

 

[TedKennedy]

Show me where those gang bangers were handcuffed in that shooting video

CNN commenter lol.

 

[JD8]

You think its ok to rob a store at gun point full of customers ? That's what happened again we aren't going to agree at all on this . I have zero sympathy for violent criminals.

But you have sympathy for people that shoot at innocent people?

See how that works?

 

[Gadsden]

No guarantee on a bullet either but I’d rather have it. If I used it before a gun I think it might help my defense. Maybe not.

I'm not going to debate with you on which is more effective at stopping someone, it should be evident to most people. And other than saying, at face value it doesn't look good, I'm not speaking to what took place in Norman without having all the facts. I'm only going to say I'm talking from firsthand experience of someone who worked the streets and saw less than lethal used many times, some successfully, others not so much.

The other thing I'll say about OC is, if it is not properly deployed (and before you say anything I don't care that you say you were trained in its use) accidents can happen and if the wind catches OC, which happens a lot, and blows it back at the person who sprayed it, it ain't good.