Charges Filed Against Police Officer in Tulsa Shooting

tRidiot · Sep 25, 2016

I'm a law & order kinda guy, and I think you should in general obey a LEO's commands when they are trying to get control of a situation, and when they're actively fighting with police, I think pretty much most bets are off. But that's a little over the top even for me.

Shooting looters in a widespread riot situation may be a different story though.

Shoot Summ · Sep 25, 2016

tRidiot said:
Just all the "shoot 'em dead" talk. SMGDH.

If you really want to see something that will make you SMGDH go on twitter and see what is being said about the officer, makes me sad that people are, the way they are...

okeydoke · Sep 25, 2016

the baton is a humane, effective answer to people who aint quite (yet) in need of being shot. Hitting somebody in the back of the knee is NOT "knee capping". It's just a way of making them stop walking. If you're being held at gun point, you ARE under arrest and if you dont comply with orders, you ARE resisting arrest and swiftly escelading levels of force can and should be applied to force you to comply. You do your arguing about it later, in court, where and when you are no threat to the cop or the rest of the public.

I was an MP on active duty for a bit over a year and I can tell you that using the baton was taught and encouraged in the US army at the time. It's a travesty that cops have to choose between just yelling at people and shooting them, without an effective "in-between" means of control. Pepper spray somebody, and then YOU get a lungfull as you try to cuff him and haul him to the station. Tasers dont work on everyone and are single shot. It's quite easy to miss with one, just like it is with a pistol. The baton, however, can adminster many whacks per second. Down the shin, to the collarbone, above the knee a few inches, on the outside of the leg. You can drive either end of the baton into the guts, for excellent effectiveness. The outside of the upper arm is a good spot, too.

doctorjj · Sep 25, 2016

okeydoke said:
the baton is a humane, effective answer to people who aint quite (yet) in need of being shot. Hitting somebody in the back of the knee is NOT "knee capping". It's just a way of making them stop walking. If you're being held at gun point, you ARE under arrest and if you dont comply with orders, you ARE resisting arrest and swiftly escelading levels of force can and should be applied to force you to comply. You do your arguing about it later, in court, where and when you are no threat to the cop or the rest of the public.

I was an MP on active duty for a bit over a year and I can tell you that using the baton was taught and encouraged in the US army at the time. It's a travesty that cops have to choose between just yelling at people and shooting them, without an effective "in-between" means of control. Pepper spray somebody, and then YOU get a lungfull as you try to cuff him and haul him to the station. Tasers dont work on everyone and are single shot. It's quite easy to miss with one, just like it is with a pistol. The baton, however, can adminster many whacks per second. Down the shin, to the collarbone, above the knee a few inches, on the outside of the leg. You can drive either end of the baton into the guts, for excellent effectiveness. The outside of the upper arm is a good spot, too.

Dumbest post of the year! Congrats!

Shoot Summ · Sep 25, 2016

doctorjj said:
Dumbest post of the year! Congrats!

Just click his username, and click ignore...

tRidiot · Sep 25, 2016

Shoot Summ said:
Just click his username, and click ignore...

Did that with our newest troll... now I don't even see the stupid-ass threads he's started. OSA is so much nicer to peruse without that mindless blather.

CHenry · Sep 29, 2016

Glocktogo · Sep 29, 2016

CHenry said:

This is exactly why her decision to pursue him to the vehicle was tactically unsound. There was another logical decision. When managing an unknown contact who is refusing to obey a lawful order, your best bet is to buy time. The correct application of the OODA loop would be to create space and gain cover, which also buys time to add additional reinforcements, shore up your tactical position, possibly add firepower in the form of a long gun, etc.

Officers routinely get tunnel vision on the detention, when in many cases that increases the risk to the officer and suspect. If this guy got in his truck and drove off, what crimes has he committed? Blocking the orderly flow of traffic by parking in the middle of the road? Interference with an officer in the performance of their duties? If so, are either of those felonies? Even if he drove off, she'd still have to develop probable cause for a moving violation. I think in this case a review of Title 21 would be instructive (Title 47 for motor vehicle laws).

http://www.oklegislature.gov/osStatuesTitle.html

Once you open it, you can hit "Ctrl+F" and search for anything. While looking these things up, you might want to peruse § 21-732. IMO, no officer wants to kill a man for a misdemeanor or less (not that they actually want to kill felons in most cases either), particularly where there is no victim. That's what happened here and it IS a tragedy. Is he complicit in his own death? Yes but not to a preponderance of evidence, much less beyond a reasonable doubt. JMO, YMMV

caojyn · Sep 29, 2016

Arraignment is tomorrow
Her audio has been released, and she never said anything about him being suspected of drugs
Her lawyer is saying she was experiencing "auditory exclusion."

dennishoddy · Sep 29, 2016

caojyn said:
Arraignment is tomorrow
Her audio has been released, and she never said anything about him being suspected of drugs
Her lawyer is saying she was experiencing "auditory exclusion."

Interesting. Auditory Exclusion is why a lot of folks that shoot for recreation or business have hearing loss. It happens during times of stress.

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