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    Quote Originally Posted by Glocktogo View Post
    It's called Arrogant Domain. It's their domain and they're arrogant. It's perfectly legal until somone spends a metric ton of money to have it legally decreed illegal.

    Seriously, keep in mind that they will likely be declared legit if certain restrictions in the search policy are spelled out that match restrictions listed in various court rulings. For all we know, the policy follows generally accepted 4th Amendment guidelines.

    They may be getting away with it, but that doesn't make it legal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dale00 View Post
    The Self Defense Act allows for firearms secured in vehicles on public college campuses if the vehicle is operated by a concealed permit holder. The Langston searches probably are in conflict with the SDA.

    And that is where I was going with my question.


    Of course, there is always the possibility that the sign is a bluff too??

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    I'm confused, wouldn't you have to inform the officer that you are a license holder and there is a firearm in the car and that would be the end of it? If there is someone that is not a law enforcement officer asking to search my car regardless of any sign there is legal authority that would support that unless I am greatly misunderstanding the situation.

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    I'm confused how posting a sign and searching vehicles amounts to a violation of the SDA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMS View Post
    I'm confused how posting a sign and searching vehicles amounts to a violation of the SDA?
    maybe if after the search they deny you entry? I'm just as lost as you are at what the issue is unless you are not protected under the act.

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    Yeah, I guess if they denied you entry after you self identified...but on it's face, the search of a vehicle prior to entry isn't a violation of the SDA.

    I'm just more conditioned to vehicle searches. Working for years at places that search you going in, and going out will do that. I can see how some could argue that it's a slippery slope though.
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    Yeah, my understanding would be that legally, the SDA does not prevent them from searching your vehicle, but that they could not prevent you from entering or parking on campus or leaving your car while on campus due to a legally carried firearm.

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    I said that the searches probably are in conflict with the SDA. It depends on what the guard at the gate says and does. Not having gone through the gate I can only speculate. But the effect is chilling and makes it appear that students, staff and visitors are being denied their right under the SDA to have firearms in their vehicle if they have a concealed carry permit.

    The article is congratulatory to tone towards Langston for having done a good job in protecting their people. No doubt the searches are being done with the best of intent but this is the kind of incremental encroachment that lays a foundation for further loss of freedom. I say that depriving people of the means to defend themselves is wrong, and that is what appears to be happening.
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    I said that the searches probably are in conflict with the SDA. It depends on what the guard at the gate says and does. Not having gone through the gate I can only speculate. But the effect is chilling and makes it appear that students, staff and visitors are being denied their right under the SDA to have firearms in their vehicle if they have a concealed carry permit.

    The article is congratulatory to tone towards Langston for having done a good job in protecting their people. No doubt the searches are being done with the best of intent but this is the kind of incremental encroachment that lays a foundation for further loss of freedom. I say that depriving people of the means to defend themselves is wrong, and that is what appears to be happening.
    Seems like you were trolling earlier, so I wasn't going to reply. The bottom line is it's their party, and they'll search if they want to. You have every right to tell them to get bent and they can't search your vehicle. They have every right to tell you to pound sand and get off their property. The ONLY issue with SDA would be if they denied you entry because you stored your firearm in the vehicle. There is no evidence they have done so, and as of now any talk of it would be tin foil banter.

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    Maybe the university could be more specific as to what they're searching for?
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    I want to make this very clear. I am not affiliated with the LUPD or administration.

    The university police and the administration decided that placing the signs and conducting random searches would increase the safety and decrease the criminal activity. In the student handbook the students do sign that they have read the rules and the rules include statements about search and seizure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoney View Post
    I'm confused, wouldn't you have to inform the officer that you are a license holder and there is a firearm in the car and that would be the end of it? If there is someone that is not a law enforcement officer asking to search my car regardless of any sign there is legal authority that would support that unless I am greatly misunderstanding the situation.
    Per the SDA one only has to inform an officer "in the event of an arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop". If I was at my computer instead off on a phone I would post the exact statute.
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