Civilian defender: #4 buckshot to the face

[Two Gun Warrior]

He is either using a crap shotgun or load. If I was to ever try to shoot someone in the face with one of mine they would never be worried about eyesight again.

Many years ago in Arkansas I shot an extra large doe at right around 65 man sized paces. Rem 870 Magnum Wingmaster fixed full choke 30" with a Winchester double XX 3" 41 pellet grex buffered and copper plated load of number 4 Buck.

The old gal never quivered and just fell over. After peeling the hide there was 17 .24 pellets that had went completely through her chest lung area and were stuck on the inside of the hide on the far side.

You not going anywhere with that in the face. Call the morgue.

What you were shooting was 3" mag from a long barrel full choke, Tight pattern way out. A short barrel using 7 1/2 bird shot low brass will open the pattern up a lot.

 

[Ready_fire_aim]

Depends on bullet design, bullet placement and distance from muzzle.

Bullet design=45 acp… bullet placement=hitting anything more than fingers or toes…. Distance from muzzle=within 1000yds… the 1911 is a supernatural soul taker…. ok I’ll stop

 

[Shadowrider]

I'm not trying to crap on this guy, I don't even know who he is. He and I actually have a few things in common.

He's a pretty well respected SME in the "training circles".

 

[Two Gun Warrior]

Bullet design=45 acp… bullet placement=hitting anything more than fingers or toes…. Distance from muzzle=within 1000yds… the 1911 is a supernatural soul taker…. ok I’ll stop

I really like my gold cup. !000 yds that is past its range and would not be much of the energy left if it would go that far.