FBI Compromises Half of Tor; Firefox Users also Compromised by FBI Javascript Attack

[vvvvvvv]

Or it might fall off while crossing a bridge over a river.

We have lots of boating accidents. Texoma, Grand, Eufaula... can't do Canton, Lugert, or Optima

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[dennishoddy]

maybe Canton now...

 

[mugsy]

Yeah, but come on guys... the REAL threat is those brown people half a world away who don't like us supporting corrupt puppet governments in their countries. The Feds are here to PROTECT our rights from those kinds of people... well, them and all those pervs who are downloading pictures and videos of other people doing bad things. They may not be actually hurting anyone, but you know it is a slippery slope!

Actually, it depends what you are specifically discussing, for example, some pornography clearly does exploit the weakest and most vulnerable - including but not limited to children - both in the US and abroad through coercion, indentured servitude, and modern day slavery. I can understand, though not necessarily agree with, the idea that porn produced by consenting adults for consenting adults and marketed through a system available to adults only is victimless beyond the degradation of the individual voluntarily indulging in it.
However, are you seriously maintaining that everything produced or sold as porn is acceptable and that there are no limits and that it is all victimless?

 

[cjjtulsa]

Yeah, but come on guys... the REAL threat is those brown people half a world away who don't like us supporting corrupt puppet governments in their countries. The Feds are here to PROTECT our rights from those kinds of people...

Sad but true.

 

[henschman]

Actually, it depends what you are specifically discussing, for example, some pornography clearly does exploit the weakest and most vulnerable - including but not limited to children - both in the US and abroad through coercion, indentured servitude, and modern day slavery.

Are you talking about the actual production of this type of porn, or just the possession of a picture or recording of it? My comment about it not actually hurting anyone was directed purely at the mere possession of it. There are very few things for which you can say the mere possession thereof is a threat to the rights of others -- and porn, no matter how filthy, is not one of them.

But prohibiting the mere possession of things does serve an important governmental interest -- the alleged threat can be hyped to put people in fear, and used to justify increasingly invasive investigative powers, and expansion of the size, power and budget of government agencies.

 

[Glocktogo]

However, are you seriously maintaining that everything produced or sold as porn is acceptable and that there are no limits and that it is all victimless?

Certainly not all of it is victimless, but how can a consumer outwardly determine that by viewing the end result? One person's degradation and perversion is another person's fetish and fantasy. The only instances I can think of are children and animals. In those cases, most of it is not purchased, it's "shared" through illicit networks. Even if there weren't people willing to view it, I really don't think that's the motivation for those who produce it.

They'd do it for personal viewing even if they never shared it with a soul. I’d be willing to bet there’s far more in private “collections” than ever sees the light of day in the internet.

To me, these investigations should focus on the producer. I’ve heard the argument that the “consumer” is facilitating and furthering the abuse, but I just don’t buy it. The producer that harms the innocent would do it regardless.

 

[poopgiggle]

Certainly not all of it is victimless, but how can a consumer outwardly determine that by viewing the end result? One person's degradation and perversion is another person's fetish and fantasy.

I'm glad someone finally understands me

 

[n8thegr8]

I'm glad someone finally understands me

Now your username makes sense....

 

[poopgiggle]

I originally wanted "clevelandsteamergiggle" but no dice.

On topic: this is another article on the topic that goes into some more detail. Yeah it's Ars, deal with it. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/researchers-say-tor-targeted-malware-phoned-home-to-nsa/

 

[TwoForFlinching]

I originally wanted "clevelandsteamergiggle" but no dice.