Oregon Militia take over federal building

[Hobbes]

Seem the boys are getting a bit hungry.


We hate the guberment, but could you use the United States Postal Service to send us snacks!

Here's an idea, Mr. Boot-Strapper, go get your own snacks.

Well, duh
They are in a wildlife refuge.

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[Ace_on_the_Turn]

actually I do understand all those things...my reference to Islam was the Islam of the true believers not Farrakan...he is just mouthy...even though he repeats the actual muslim stance....Islam allows infidels to convert or be enslaved or be killed - period - that is the summation of the muslim position.....Farrakan and the black panthers hence the BLM folks follow the same path.

they have taken a step toward the modern world (the true believers) in that they now do not allow fathers and sons to have sex with the same slave nor do they allow an owner to have sex with both mother and daughter....enlightening isn't it....try the cliff notes on Islam...

It's funny you mention cliff notes, as that seems to be about you limit of knowledge of Islam. The fact is, the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims neither believe nor teach what you think they do, that's it's okay to kill infidels.

Here's a passage from a holy book calling for the deaths of non-believers:
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

It's Deuteronomy 17 from the Holy Bible.

And how shall cities of non-conformers be treated? Deuteronomy 20:10-18 says kill or enslave them.
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

Should we continue with some of the nicer passages from the Holy Bible? You inference that Muslims are just a step removed from the dark ages is no more truer for Muslims than it would be for Christians.

 

[mightymouse]

So you believe that the .gov using tanks against abused children was not stupid. Interesting...

At no point in this thread have I indicated one way or the other my opinions on the government's actions in Waco. What I did say was that the Branch Davidians were a bunch fools, led to their death by the idiocy of a sick, twisted, religious charlatan. He was an apocalyptic fool who engineered his own apocalypse. It's fitting somehow.

 

[finishnailer]

It's funny you mention cliff notes, as that seems to be about you limit of knowledge of Islam. The fact is, the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims neither believe nor teach what you think they do, that's it's okay to kill infidels.

Here's a passage from a holy book calling for the deaths of non-believers:
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

It's Deuteronomy 17 from the Holy Bible.

And how shall cities of non-conformers be treated? Deuteronomy 20:10-18 says kill or enslave them.
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

Should we continue with some of the nicer passages from the Holy Bible? You inference that Muslims are just a step removed from the dark ages is no more truer for Muslims than it would be for Christians.

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or do you really not know the bible at all . Old Testament and New Testament are a wee bit different. We follow the New Testament , hence the word "new". Now go ahead and let me know how foolish I am for differentiating the two......

 

[furlong222]

the Quran begins well enough but Mohammed in his divine wisdom stated that any current position overrides any previous positions - so - its last 1/3 that actually applies. that is the death and dismemberment portion. wives that are 11yrs old young males....honor killings...and on and on....it simply is beyond our understanding of life....but understand it you must to come to grips with your destiny at the hands of Islam.....you will convert, become a slave or be killed. your wives, sons and daughters will be bought and sold to better serve the true believers.

to actually clarify my position....muslims are barbarians of the first order....those that claim otherwise are either lying (lying is encouraged if it furthers Islamic interests) or not dyed in the wool muslims....if that is the case let them split off from the old school doctrines - course they cant do that because they would be killed or enslaved

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or do you really not know the bible at all . Old Testament and New Testament are a wee bit different. We follow the New Testament , hence the word "new". Now go ahead and let me know how foolish I am for differentiating the two......

Yet when you're sworn in for jury duty, or are married, or go to any Christian church it's the entire Holy Bible, not just the new part, that we swear to or pray on.

 

[IndVet]

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or do you really not know the bible at all . Old Testament and New Testament are a wee bit different. We follow the New Testament , hence the word "new". Now go ahead and let me know how foolish I am for differentiating the two......

Glad to know we get to follow the words of God that we choose.

Is there something in the New Testament that says ignore the Old Testament?

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

the Quran begins well enough but Mohammed in his divine wisdom stated that any current position overrides any previous positions - so - its last 1/3 that actually applies. that is the death and dismemberment portion. wives that are 11yrs old young males....honor killings...and on and on....it simply is beyond our understanding of life....but understand it you must to come to grips with your destiny at the hands of Islam.....you will convert, become a slave or be killed. your wives, sons and daughters will be bought and sold to better serve the true believers.

to actually clarify my position....muslims are barbarians of the first order....those that claim otherwise are either lying (lying is encouraged if it furthers Islamic interests) or not dyed in the wool muslims....if that is the case let them split off from the old school doctrines - course they cant do that because they would be killed or enslaved

Okay, whatever you say. Don't let the fact that all Muslim countries have non-Muslims living in them without being killed, converted or enslaved. In fact, there is no Muslim country that a non-Muslims is not free to visit without being killed, converted or enslaved. Syria and Iraq included, outside of the area controlled by ISIS, which is a radical group that has been condemned by true Muslims across the world. Just keep up with your unsupported bigotry.

 

[tRidiot]

Glad to know we get to follow the words of God that we choose.

Is there something in the New Testament that says ignore the Old Testament?

Nothing says to ignore it... but being bound by the law and understanding its traditional place and why it was instituted and why it has been superseded are different things.


Galations 3:23-25

Romans 10:4

Those are a start, but it is an entire lengthy theological study to truly grasp the evolution of law from Mosaic to Messianic.

 

[YukonGlocker]

No sir, what's stupid is following a self-proclaimed messiah to the promised land, which, to Pastor David, involves the porking of any and all teenaged girls and/or married women in the compound. If you are that stupid, you'll just have to bear the consequences. It's natural selection of a sort.

a simply understanding of how cults are created and maintained might help here, but, suffice to say, stupidity isn't a factor