I am going to blow my entire childrens college fund on gambling, the first day it opens!
Maybe they will let me in the free buffet room!!
Maybe they will let me in the free buffet room!!
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My parents have a house full of new appliances and 15K worth of renovations that say otherwise. Obviously it's not the norm, but I've seen people win consistently. Personally, I could put 1k into a penny machine and I wouldn't win a thing. Craps table is a different story though.
Racism.......if your on a casino building job (construction) and you are white your employer has to pay 25 bucks a day to the casino for the white employee to be on site. Try that on the flip side.....
Speaking as someone that works in the industry, the chances DO exist that people can win at a casino. They do in fact win at casinos. Where people go wrong is that they don't know how to stop while they are ahead.
All of those numbers assume that you go in to play for a while. If not, then be prepared to designate those funds as entertainment value. All too often we in the industry see people who believe that their luck is going to cash in and start playing with their mortgage payment, car payment or __________ payment. That's really out of the control of the casino and the gaming industry and falls back on the personal responsibility of those playing.
At the same time, casinos do provide jobs for many many people in any location that they are in. The tribes donate a great deal of funds back to the community through infrastructure, education and any number of other programs. Although the gaming industry has its negative points, I would challenge people to point out industries like tribal gaming that put as much back into their communities and give back to their tribal members.
And really, for those saying that they don't want the casino in Broken Arrow (myself not being from there) I would question why they wouldn't. The people who would go play the games in a Broken Arrow casino would have no problem taking their money to any of the casinos in Tulsa, Sapulpa, Catoosa or any of the other nearby locations. If it would boost the employment in the area and provide more entertainment options in a location, is it really all that bad??
Anybody that thinks they can make a living by gambling has an addiction problem. I lost my best friend to a casino. He quit his $36 an hour job to get more casino time as he "knew he had the system". Two years later he lost his 600,000 retirement, unbeknownst to me, and asked me for a $1000 short time loan to cover his house payment while his retirement check came in. He took it straight to the casino and lost it.
Another chick in Ponca that worked at a bank lost over a million dollars she got from her deceased husbands insurance policy, and then embezzled over $25000.00 before getting caught and getting a 9 year sentence.
I work with a guy that lost his entire personal savings of over $200,000.00 when his wife, a co-signer got addicted, and spent it all without his knowledge.
All of that money went to the "community projects" and employment that the tribes are required to do in exchange for gambling.
Trust me, I can find hundreds of similar situations on OCN court records. These are just the ones that have been personal to me. One person.
Your first sentence stated that theoretically one CAN win at the tables. These places with all the big new buildings, contributions to the community, building roads, and all the hype are not making it on a 7-4% profit from the gaming tables as you state. There is a lot of slick math going on.
Currently in Kay County, every Native American home is gettting a very nice blacktop road being built to each home.
I know for a fact that the 200 yard asphalt road that I put in for my driveway that cost $5000 is a drop in the bucket for the miles of asphalt going to their homes. Who is paying for that?
Whenever you want to get deeper into how the casinos that I'm familiar with actually run, let me know. I have an acquaintence that was hired as a CFO for a casino, and when he saw the books and tried to get them straight, he was fired.
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My parents have a house full of new appliances and 15K worth of renovations that say otherwise. Obviously it's not the norm, but I've seen people win consistently. Personally, I could put 1k into a penny machine and I wouldn't win a thing. Craps table is a different story though.
Oh I agree that there are exceptions to the rule but I think it's safe to say the casino is consistently the winner. I'm too much of a chicken to even try. I don't think I've ever spent more than $20 at a casino and I've never stepped foot into any in the Tulsa area. I don't have a problem with those that do, however.
I haven't studied much on the proposed casino in BA but it sounds like the nearby residents have a legitimate concern.
Casinos and state lotteries are simply forms of entertainment. Same as sports betting. Anything in excess is harmful. If casinos didnt exist or gambling was illegal across the Nation, addicts would find a way to gamble. Pot is illegal. Anyone checked on how easy it is to get some lately?
Some people abuse them sure, some people abuse alcohol too. Its not the products fault some over indulge. I spend about 100 bucks a year on Bodog gambling on sports. When Im up, I might have 50 bucks total on a weekend of games, when its been a bad year, towards the end of the season I might have 5 bucks total on the weekend. Its a form or entertainment for me. I set out each year with a 100 bucks to LOSE. If I win, then I bet more on the Super Bowl that year, if I dont, oh well.
I think its funny that some here are so anti this argument when it comes to gun control, but can sit and be basically on the opposite side of the equation when dealing with another topic. Its not the products fault some people abuse the product. It doesnt matter what the product is.
Some people abuse them sure, some people abuse alcohol too. Its not the products fault some over indulge. I spend about 100 bucks a year on Bodog gambling on sports. When Im up, I might have 50 bucks total on a weekend of games, when its been a bad year, towards the end of the season I might have 5 bucks total on the weekend. Its a form or entertainment for me. I set out each year with a 100 bucks to LOSE. If I win, then I bet more on the Super Bowl that year, if I dont, oh well.
I think its funny that some here are so anti this argument when it comes to gun control, but can sit and be basically on the opposite side of the equation when dealing with another topic. Its not the products fault some people abuse the product. It doesnt matter what the product is.
gripe about them all you want there really isnt a damn thing you can do about it except not go to them, casinos are built on tribal land, land that is owned by a sovern nation basically. i hope they do build it. it is a great revenue for the tribe to help take care of there people. and considering some reservation homes still dont have running water or indoor restrooms they could probably use it. you care about how the people around it will be affected but do you even think about the people that will benifit from it? there might be more traffic, but that could also mean many people get to use the bathroom in their house instead of having to go outside in the winter.
Soooo... why can't I bring my firearm in a casino again?
Get a grip people! People are addicted to so many things. It can be gambling, drugs, hording, exercise, food, guns, sex, alcohol, yard work, religion.
Any of these can cause problems in any family and community. I have heard of people give all of their money to a church and cause a family to be very poor. Should we get mad when a new church is built? What about a new gym? People will be working out and using steroids which can cause that person to beat on a family member! A new restaurant? We all know how fat people cost tons of money in healthcare. Coffee shop? Parents might spend money on coffee instead of buying a good education for their children.
The list goes on and on.
Any of these can cause problems in any family and community. I have heard of people give all of their money to a church and cause a family to be very poor. Should we get mad when a new church is built? What about a new gym? People will be working out and using steroids which can cause that person to beat on a family member! A new restaurant? We all know how fat people cost tons of money in healthcare. Coffee shop? Parents might spend money on coffee instead of buying a good education for their children.
The list goes on and on.
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