The ammunition that has gun owners drooling.

[ignerntbend]

I've got several kinds of JHPs that I keep for the SD gun. I have tons of ball ammunition that isn't suitable for self defense. If you shot somebody with .45acp FMJ, the EMTs would tell the culprit just to walk it off and quit being a weinie. Everybody knows that stuff is harmless. Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

 

[SoonerP226]

Some platforms have issues with different ammo that they weren't designed to shoot. Hence the post from Night Hawk.

Yeah, I'm not saying it'll work in every pistol, just that I'd expect it to work in mine.

 

[dennishoddy]

. I have tons of ball ammunition that isn't suitable for self defense. If you shot somebody with .45acp FMJ, the EMTs would tell the culprit just to walk it off and quit being a weinie. Everybody knows that stuff is harmless. Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

LOL. The Ball ammo in what ever caliber has counted for millions of causality's.

 

[dennishoddy]

Yeah, I'm not saying it'll work in every pistol, just that I'd expect it to work in mine.

99% of it will in factory loads.

 

[Pulp]

I hope it's on the market before the "Dead Chicken Apocalypse"

 

[doctorjj]

In addition to dropping the black paint, they redesigned the projectile jacket so the bullets no longer have the "talons" on expansion.

Wrong.

 

[tRidiot]

Am I the only one concerned about OVER penetration and the trocars spinning madly off in all directions after minor wounds/wingings?

I dunno... I still lean towards a large, fully-expanding round with high kinetic energy designed to deliver ALL of that energy into the target, NOT into many different directions and worry about overpenetration and such. Watching those videos I'm not even so concerned about the trocars, but more about the core that doesn't expand at all and seems to function much more like a FMJ, possibly (IMO) overpenetrating.

Just my opinion. Maybe I've got the whole concept wrong, I dunno.

Seems like chrome to me.

 

[piston10]

Am I the only one concerned about OVER penetration and the trocars spinning madly off in all directions after minor wounds/wingings?

I dunno... I still lean towards a large, fully-expanding round with high kinetic energy designed to deliver ALL of that energy into the target, NOT into many different directions and worry about overpenetration and such. Watching those videos I'm not even so concerned about the trocars, but more about the core that doesn't expand at all and seems to function much more like a FMJ, possibly (IMO) overpenetrating.

Just my opinion. Maybe I've got the whole concept wrong, I dunno.

Seems like chrome to me.

Your not the only one. I'm sticking with my PDX 1's and rangers.

 

[tRidiot]

Seems like just a slightly more controlled take on frangible ammo, which I don't think any LE agencies are using routinely these days, are they? For good reason...

 

[ASP785]

Am I the only one concerned about OVER penetration and the trocars spinning madly off in all directions after minor wounds/wingings?

I dunno... I still lean towards a large, fully-expanding round with high kinetic energy designed to deliver ALL of that energy into the target, NOT into many different directions and worry about overpenetration and such. Watching those videos I'm not even so concerned about the trocars, but more about the core that doesn't expand at all and seems to function much more like a FMJ, possibly (IMO) overpenetrating.

Just my opinion. Maybe I've got the whole concept wrong, I dunno.

Seems like chrome to me.

My take on the matter is more of the opposite, I am skeptical of the penetration claims. If you take a look at a 77 grain MK262 loading, you see this projectile sheds its jacket into a bunch of little pieces and the remaining mass penetrates about 12-13". It creates a massive wound channel in ballistic gel, but its performance on barriers is poor. It's similar in concept to this round in its fragmentation. I am skeptical that a pistol projectile with a mass of only 96 grains can shed that mass into multiple fragments and penetrate 16+ inches. A solid copper, non fragmenting 55 grain Barnes bullet will penetrate just over 16" in calibrated ballistic gel. I am not saying its impossible, but I just want to see some independent testing before I will buy the hype. The released marketing videos are impressive.

55 grain Barnes
http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_55gr_TAC-X.pdf

77 grain Mk262 Mod 1
http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BTAmmoLabsTest6/Test6.htm