Mental illness... a common public danger?

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tRidiot

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I think we all know there are instances of shootings and such perpetrated by people with significant mental illness, either diagnosed or hidden.

But I had to go downtown Tulsa yesterday for a meeting and I saw a couple of people that made me very nervous.

I had to drive around a few minutes to find a parking place, finally ended up on the top story of a parking garage. I was carrying concealed and wearing a coat, as it was pretty cold. But as I come out of the garage, I hear someone yelling, sounds like someone fighting. As I look around, waiting for the light to cross over, I see a guy ambling down the street in the same direction I am going to be heading, obviously homeless. This guy is yelling at the top of his lungs, very angry, cussing up a storm, though you can't tell what he's worked up about. I mean, I think it was obvious he's mentally ill, he's screaming obscenities at the air, looking all around, gesticulating, but not in any hurry to go anywhere, no one else around, etc. Definitely made me pay attention and I made sure to hang back about a half-block from him until I got to my destination.

So then, when I come out a few hours later, I see another guy walking down a street perpendicular to mine while I am waiting for the light to cross. This one really kinda made me look twice - this guy was wearing a coat, but above the coat he was wrapped tightly in multiple scarves to the top of his head. Including his face. Not like... wearing a scarf because it's cold and have your nose and mouth covered - this guy looked like he was mummified, tightly, and had eyeholes cut out. Not a slit where he didn't wrap it, actual eye hole cutouts. And it wasn't like a ski mask, it was scarves or bandannas or something wrapped around. He's holding what looks like a phone toward his lips, horizontally facing outward, like he's blowing into the mic on the bottom, and as he walks out into the road to cross without paying any attention to the light, to any cars that might be coming, etc., he's waving his hand around flipping the bird up high to all the high-rise buildings around us. Not to anyone (no one else was around), not to traffic, nothing like that. Just randomly flipping off buildings, it looked like. Was pretty strange, you couldn't see a lick of skin on his face, hands, nothing. Couldn't have been able to even tell his skin color to tell the police if something had happened.


It's been a few years since I worked at Hillcrest and we got so many of the mentally-ill homeless coming in for various reasons, but it just struck me yesterday how many people we have living on the street who are mentally ill and could potentially be dangerous, given nearly any situation. Being alert and paying attention to your surroundings is all well and good, but many of us here have been approached or even accosted by someone while pumping gas or getting a paper, stopping at a stoplight, even.

We need more facilities and medical folks to help deal with these people, but the bottom line is, you can't (at this point) force them to medicate or live in a facility. Had a family member who was a brilliant guy who could fix anything electronic, but he chose to live homeless and alcoholic when he had other options. Matter of fact, after Christmas one year he came to his parents' house, picked up a new CD Walkman they'd gotten him for Christmas, declined their offer of a warm place to stay that night, promptly walked out and the next morning was crushed to death by a Tulsa trash truck while sleeping in a dumpster.

You just can't make them....

Nothing new here, but my experiences yesterday just reminded me how many of these folks we have that society simply writes off and tries to walk around.
 

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This is the corner that America has painted herself into. The housing and protection of the mentally ill is a valid and easily-defended role for government. Maybe even the federal government. But, instead of using tax dollars for this, we're redistributing it to other constituents with a less defensible claim to it. It's not that we're spending too little for health and human services, it's that we're spending it in wasteful ways. Housing and care for the mentally ill is terribly neglected and just demonstrates how weak their lobby is.
 
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The mentally ill are not a threat until they are. The majority of homeless people have serious mental issues that are the cause of their homelessness. They are too unstable to keep a job and often times to unstable to live with family members. The non-violent ones just seem to blend into the background of our society. They end up as antedotical stories about people we have encountered.

The violent ones however end up encountering the Police. The Police are not equipped to handle the mentally ill that become violent. The Police are called to protect society, not treat them. More often than not, when a family calls for help, the person ends up getting shot because they became a physical threat to officers and the public. They basically get shot like a mad-dog. Nothing against the Police, they simply get put into an impossible situation.

America needs to make the treatment of mental illness a priority. I would much rather see money being spent to treat the mentally ill that are already citizens in our country than provide aid to illegal aliens or provide aid to so many countries.
 

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Didn't Kennedy do something in the 60's that released mentals and shut down a bunch of the nations hospitals, I've heard people talking about it? Seems like they didn't used to have this problem with crazies running loose in the streets back then.
 

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The current administration would make the case that they've greatly helped with the care of the mentally ill, by requiring the mandatory ACA health insurance policies to cover mental health services. But, this only really helps the people that are actively seeking mental health services. This doesn't really help the severely mentally ill that are on the streets. There are some very temporary options for them, but few long term options that are available and funded. It's a problem that is discussed, but not really being addressed. There are advocates for the mentally ill, but they're typically advocating for their rights and not for their involuntary incarceration.
 

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When I lived in San Francisco in the 90s I remember when the city council was making plans to try and move the homeless out of the downtown area. I found it humorous and sad as most homeless you encountered there were basically mentally ill with nowhere to go, no hospitals, nothing. I moved from there in 2000 so no idea what happened with their plan.

The downtown Tulsa church based soup kitchen Iron Gate tried to move out of the downtown area to a bigger facility but the neighbors in the area they were targeting to move to didnt want them there. What do you do with people that have nowhere to go, no hospitals to go to, no housing, etc? We dont like seeing them, but then what do we do with them?
 

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Maybe some of them are a threat... if so, the only thing I'm really equipped to do about it now is to defend myself and my loved ones with force.

Even if I had a lot of disposable money and wanted to help charitably with the problem, you can set up all the sanitariums you want, but they have to seek help or be committed (meaning they already became a threat to themselves or others) before anything can be done.

That's essentially the problem -- they need help, but their illness many times makes them unable or unwilling to seek out help, and it's not really justified to kidnap them and force them to get help.

Encouraging the mentally ill to be sterilized seems like one of the most helpful things that could be done.

I definitely don't support taking people's money by force to do anything about the problem, so at this point about all I've got is to carry a gun.
 
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