What game wardens are federal?What about Game Wardens? Since they are Federal, lets say they check you during deer season and you are hunting with your 12.5" 6.5grendel with a pistol brace. Where would that fall??? Can he take it???
What game wardens are federal?What about Game Wardens? Since they are Federal, lets say they check you during deer season and you are hunting with your 12.5" 6.5grendel with a pistol brace. Where would that fall??? Can he take it???
Those "two major retailers" attended an ATF seminar online (let's call it a "webinar"). There was a morning and an afternoon webinar both Tues (Jan 31) and Weds (Feb 1), for a total of four. Any FFL could have watched any one or all of them. Same 30-40 minute PowerPoint presentation for all four webinars. Each presentation was followed by a Q&A session which lasted between 35-50 minutes for the two afternoon webinars I watched (I did not get a chance to see either of the morning sessions).I watched two different vids yesterday from two major retailers who attended an ATF seminar put on to explain and take questions on the brace ruling. The first one said "all you have to do is slide your brace off your buffer tube and your legal" while the other said " you HAVE TO have a smooth pistol buffer tube to be in compliance". This is common, I'm even seeing 2nd amendment lawyers with wildly conflicting statements. It would be GREAT if we could get ACCURATE and CONCISE information rather than useless speculation.
Surely those webinars were recorded for playback, but we are talking about the government here so who knows.Those "two major retailers" attended an ATF seminar online (let's call it a "webinar"). There was a morning and an afternoon webinar both Tues (Jan 31) and Weds (Feb 1), for a total of four. Any FFL could have watched any one or all of them. Same 30-40 minute PowerPoint presentation for all four webinars. Each presentation was followed by a Q&A session which lasted between 35-50 minutes for the two afternoon webinars I watched (I did not get a chance to see either of the morning sessions).
Questions were submitted to the ATF during the presentation, the questions were correlated, and the most common ones were answered. Someone read the questions, a panel from the ATF answered them. (I should add that the Q&A sessions were audio only--no video.) With four Q&A sessions, it is easy to see how the two retailers might have gotten two different answers. And, if you're like me, I found myself jotting down notes about the answer to the previous question while the next question was being asked. Some of those Q&A's were fired off in rapid fashion, and you had to be listening closely (not always possible depending on the circumstances surrounding your environment--like in a active retail sales establishment). And that is as accurate and concise as I can make my useless speculation.
The PowerPoint presentation can be seen on the ATF's website. The Q&A sessions may have been recorded, but I have no way of knowing.Surely those webinars were recorded for playback, but we are talking about the government here so who knows.
Just for clarification, does the ATF define "attach". I bought a device at one of the Lawton gunshows a while back that does not physically attach in the legal sense of the word. It braces but if I let go of the pistol it literally will fall off on the ground.Factoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached “Stabilizing Braces” | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
On January 13, 2023, the Attorney General signed ATF final rule 2021R-08F, “Factoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached ‘Stabilizing Braces,’” amending ATF’s regulations to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. The final rule was published in the...www.atf.gov
They made themselves relevent again, got more budget money, and gave themselves an endless amount of easy work, questioning, seizing propery, and/or arresting people who were doing something that they said was fine for over a decade. Gives them an excuse to stay out of ghettos to get people posting their glock switched glocks. They will leave that for the cops so they won't have to risk their lives and potentially make the national news in a very bad way.Do you really think they are going to make millions & millions of search warrants? I don't think so. If this rule goes thru & becomes a law (which I don't think it will) then the only people who are going to het caught & get in trouble are going to be the ones that brag (possibly online) on what they have or if they are dumb enough to take it out in public.
Mums the word.
Keep what you got in your house, don't take it out in public,
if you have your own land to shoot on or your own private range like some folks on here, you can still be lucky enough to get your "once non-SBR" out & shoot it some.
Some of you guys think they are going to issue warrants for you if you have a "once non-SBR" in your house. I think the truth is nothing will happen to you unless the word gets out that you have it & its still together.
Are they not federal agents??What game wardens are federal?
US Department of Fish and Wildlife agents. I have seen their trucks and agents around waterfowl hunting areas since waterfowl regs. are federally established. I cannot say whether they bother with enforcing state regs. or not but they can sure call someone on the radio that will.What game wardens are federal?
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