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[HMFIC]

You're confused because you insist on following one of several red herrings. When defending any part of our 2nd amendment rights, be it ownership, carry, etc we have to preach about personal responsibility. Well in several of the emotional rantings in this thread people speak of crime, problem gamblers, higher taxes, etc etc. I'm saying that the casino doesn't cause these problems....... people do. Many other people have stated the same thing in this thread. Even the joke of a study by the Univeristy of Illinois quotes less than 1% of gamblers being "problem gamblers." In the same sense I'm sure less than 1% of gun owners cause problems.

Don't like the traffic, noise, etc.... I get it...... again....***** away.... I feel the same way about Wal-mart and the chain restaurants Ridgehunter speaks of.

Interesting.

Given that, I actually think you're the one who is confused. Personal responsibility has nothing to do with the reality of the situation and the effect of the casino. You're right about the fact that the casino itself doesn't perform the associated criminal acts. Regardless of that, the fact does still remain that crime rates increase in areas surrounding casinos. It isn't just 1% of "problem gamblers", it's the probability of every type of negative behavior and element associated with casinos. It's not only proven, it's pretty self evident.

People do get emotional about this issue it's true. People typically live in suburban, residential areas because they wish to raise a family in a quiet, safe neighborhood that is void of establishments like casinos, bars, strip clubs, etc... When they purchase a home and fullfill this desire, they tend to get cranky when attempts are made to destroy the environment they chose.

If you want to get down to it, I think the people, especially those who don't even live in the same metro area, who are arguing FOR this casino location are driven by THEIR emotions. They likely frequent casinos and don't wish to have their activity painted with a broad brush and made out to be bad people. In all probability, most who do frequent casinos are hard working, honest people. It is pointless however to argue that casinos are harmless. The building itself is harmless of course, so stop mincing words. The resulting issues associated with casinos are most certainly NOT harmless. The resulting issues with gun ownership are all positive and IT'S a Constitutional right... you cannot make that claim with a casino.

Again, I'm for personal responsibility and despite casinos being a magnet for all kinds of deplorable activity and behaviors, I am not for banning them. I am however FULLY AGAINST placing them in suburban, residential neighborhoods FILLED with nothing but schools, family homes and churches.

It's not an issue of personal rights or responsibility. It's an issue of location with the obvious unwanted effects at it's base.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

We had Indian and private gambling withing driving distance of where I lived up north... but nothing like the double wide's out in the middle of no where like we have in OK.

I dont go often... and morally... $100 loss at a Casino is $100... the same $100 bucks for a movie you forget and a steak dinner that passes as poop a couple days later are about the same. Spending money for either if you cannot afford too is just wrong either way you cut it...

Oh... cocktail waitresses should weigh less than 150 pounds... and they should be well endowed. That should be a law. Sitting next to a prune faced old woman on oxygen is not a draw even if the machine is "loose".

 

[elwoodtrix]

Oh... cocktail waitresses should weigh less than 150 pounds... and they should be well endowed. That should be a law. Sitting next to a prune faced old woman on oxygen is not a draw even if the machine is "loose".

I second that!!

 

[PUMPKIN]

No, Let's just put the casino in your neighborhood since you're all for it and think it won't pose any issue. Then we'll all be happy.

awww naw see, that's duifferant.

 

[JD8]

Given that, I actually think you're the one who is confused.

Nope, I've spoken pretty clear english throughout this whole thread.

. Personal responsibility has nothing to do with the reality of the situation and the effect of the casino. You're right about the fact that the casino itself doesn't perform the associated criminal acts. Regardless of that, the fact does still remain that crime rates increase in areas surrounding casinos. It isn't just 1% of "problem gamblers", it's the probability of every type of negative behavior and element associated with casinos. It's not only proven, it's pretty self evident.

Self evident is relative. The reality is that you had two people that lived next to one within a city that had no problems. I have friends that still live over there and they pay no higher taxes than I do, their property value is higher per sq/ft than I paid, they've had no break-ins, walk their dogs every day, etc. Anecdotal for sure but it blows the "self-evident" BS out of the water. What's your experience living next to a casino in Tulsa?

If you want to get down to it, I think the people, especially those who don't even live in the same metro area, who are arguing FOR this casino location are driven by THEIR emotions.

I dunno that anyone here is rabid to defend the casino, rather they just don't believe some of the BS some are laying down. I think eveyone agrees on the traffic, congestion, etc.

In all probability, most who do frequent casinos are hard working, honest people. It is pointless however to argue that casinos are harmless. The building itself is harmless of course, so stop mincing words. The resulting issues associated with casinos are most certainly NOT harmless. The resulting issues with gun ownership are all positive and IT'S a Constitutional right... you cannot make that claim with a casino.

Here's where you're in denial. This is like saying guns are never used for harm to innocent people. However, you JUST admitted that most who frequent casinos are decent people by your opinon. I'm sure we all agree that we all agree that most gun owners are the same. Just as I don't want to hear that guns cause crime because it's BS, casinos don't cause crime either.

 

[HMFIC]

Nope, I've spoken pretty clear english throughout this whole thread.

Self evident is relative. The reality is that you had two people that lived next to one within a city that had no problems. I have friends that still live over there and they pay no higher taxes than I do, their property value is higher per sq/ft than I paid, they've had no break-ins, walk their dogs every day, etc. Anecdotal for sure but it blows the "self-evident" BS out of the water. What's your experience living next to a casino in Tulsa?

I dunno that anyone here is rabid to defend the casino, rather they just don't believe some of the BS some are laying down. I think eveyone agrees on the traffic, congestion, etc.

Here's where you're in denial. This is like saying guns are never used for harm to innocent people. However, you JUST admitted that most who frequent casinos are decent people by your opinon. I'm sure we all agree that we all agree that most gun owners are the same. Just as I don't want to hear that guns cause crime because it's BS, casinos don't cause crime either.

I provided a half dozen reports for you earlier and it seems you just want to ignore them and argue about it because someone can walk their dog. Please for me demonstrate any evidence that having a casino in a neighborhood is harmless as you've stated so vehemently.

I asked you a question earlier... why is it that you are hell bent on begrudging property owners in a residential neighborhood their desire to keep their neighborhood void of a casino?

"Rabidly defending"... no I wouldn't say anyone is doing that, but you've been very quick to ridicule those who have legitimate concerns about keeping their neighborhood safe and family oriented. Why would you do that?

 

[PUMPKIN]

I wonder why cherokee casino has a jail in house??

People are probably defending it because they are dependent on them.

 

[HMFIC]

Here's where you're in denial. This is like saying guns are never used for harm to innocent people. However, you JUST admitted that most who frequent casinos are decent people by your opinon. I'm sure we all agree that we all agree that most gun owners are the same. Just as I don't want to hear that guns cause crime because it's BS, casinos don't cause crime either.

And specifically on this point, I didn't say that guns are never used to harm innocent people. I said that the resulting effect of gun ownership is positive.

I fully agree with you that the physical building of a casino doesn't cause crime. I also agree that the building doesn't harm innocent people. That's the apples to apples comparison.

Please... tell me the resulting effect of having a casino in a neighborhood and all of the positive benefits of it?

 

[Porter]

Here's a little lite reading from a professor at the University of Illinois. It's a little outdated (2010), but I think it speaks for itself. I would be interested to hear your rebuttal based on your own study. Or are you simply stating your "opinion"?

http://www.netnebraska.org/television/news/ne_connects/gambling/CasinosCrime.pdf

Still waiting.......

 

[JD8]

I provided a half dozen reports for you earlier and it seems you just want to ignore them and argue about it because someone can walk their dog. Please for me demonstrate any evidence that having a casino in a neighborhood is harmless as you've stated so vehemently.

I'm not sure what you're speaking of, you posted a link about someone leaving a kid in a car? Refresh my memory. Also, having real world experience and examples trumps opinion in my book. Anecdotes for sure, but more valid than internet lore to ME.

I asked you a question earlier... why is it that you are hell bent on begrudging property owners in a residential neighborhood their desire to keep their neighborhood void of a casino?

Why are you hell bent on putting words in my mouth and resorting to all this red herring. I've stated multiple times that I understand certain reasons for keeping a casino out. Just don't feed me the same liberal based BS of it causing the end of the world.

Again in plain english.....

I think eveyone agrees on the traffic, congestion, etc.

Now there's a legitimate complaint. (referencing traffic)

Don't like the traffic, noise, etc.... I get it...... again....***** away.... I feel the same way about Wal-mart and the chain restaurants Ridgehunter speaks of.

but you've been very quick to ridicule those who have legitimate concerns about keeping their neighborhood safe and family oriented. Why would you do that?

How am I ridiculing you? You forget your comments and especially the comments of others. There are plenty of comments attacking me throughout this thread, with you joining in.