Interesting OC Experience

[toehanus]

If you ask nice, my wife might let you borrow hers.

Awesome. People on OSA are the greatest people. I think I'll get me a pair of them skinny jeans to complete the ensemble. Of course with my chunky thighs and tight jeans the frictional combination may start a brush fire.

@toehanus

 

[BikerHT]

I've not seen anyone open carrying yet. Might be a good thing, though.
I've only been back in Oklahoma for 4 days since coming to this project near Chicago!
Anyone I see OCing, except a LEO - is probably gonna be the BG!

 

[ProBusiness]

Quote Originally Posted by Title 21, Section 1289.25
D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

This only applies to an intruder inside of: home, business, occupied vehicle, or dwelling. It does not apply to protection of self 'outside' of the above named home, business, occupied vehicle, or dwelling.

The above statement does not meet the criteria needed to protect oneself outside.

 

[ProBusiness]

You are allowed to protect anyone who would be able to use deadly force if they were able. However if you do, you step into their shoes and take on all the problems of the situation.

This is not correct. You are allowed by law to protect spouse, child, parents, employer, or employees and use whatever force to protect them that they can lawfully use, or 'step into their shoes'. In limited circumstances you can protect someone other than the above mentioned.

 

[ProBusiness]

So according to that article, a post office is like a school in Oklahoma.

NO - you can not lawfully carry into a post office BUT you can leave you gun unattended in your car in the post office parking lot.

SCHOOL - K-12. you cannot leave your gun unattended in your car on school property - period. Parking lot or otherwise. You cannot have your gun on your person outside of your car while on k-12 school property.

You can have your gun in your car while you are in your car while on K-12 school property if you are picking up or dropping off a child.

So a school has different rules than a post office.

 

[shooterdave]

^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^

 

[okiebryan]

Quote Originally Posted by Title 21, Section 1289.25
D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

This only applies to an intruder inside of: home, business, occupied vehicle, or dwelling. It does not apply to protection of self 'outside' of the above named home, business, occupied vehicle, or dwelling.

The above statement does not meet the criteria needed to protect oneself outside.

wait..wut? Please tell me how the bolded part above "only applies to an intruder inside of: home, business, occupied vehicle, or dwelling"

This is the part about "an intruder inside of: home, business, occupied vehicle, or dwelling"

A person or an owner, manager or employee of a business is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
1. The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or a place of business, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against the will of that person from the dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or place of business; and
2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

 

[hrdware]

This is not correct. You are allowed by law to protect spouse, child, parents, employer, or employees and use whatever force to protect them that they can lawfully use, or 'step into their shoes'. In limited circumstances you can protect someone other than the above mentioned.

You mind showing me where in the law it enumerates those persons you are allowed to protect.

 

[spcbrindley]

You are allowed by law to protect spouse, child, parents, employer, or employees*

I distincly remember being told this when taking my class at carrylegal this last summer.

 

[hrdware]

I distincly remember being told this when taking my class at carrylegal this last summer.

What an instructor may tell you and what the law expressly says can and sometimes are 2 different things. Back in the late 90's when I first got my CC permit, this text was in the law. This wording is no longer there. In fact, the law specifically says

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Bold added for emphasis. The bold items specifically say when you can used deadly force. There are no specific people listed is this list, but "another" means anyone. Preventing the commission of a forcible felony is also listed, but in my opinion, most forcible felonies, would probably put "another" in a situation where they may incur death or great bodily harm.