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I f someone is on a company's property and the injured by, let's say a broken toilet, they are liable. Why wouldn't they be if you are injured on their property by a bullet?

Well then it would have to be the property owner's bullet that injured them. This is more about the property owner's failure to provide a deterrent. If a woman is mugged in a dark parking lot, the lot owner might be successfully sued for failure to provide adequate security lighting, to deter muggers. If a company prohibits self-defense items on their property, but then fails to provide security officers armed with self-defense items or methods to detect unauthorized carry of weapons, they are not backing up their policies with ethical actions.
 

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Well then it would have to be the property owner's bullet that injured them. This is more about the property owner's failure to provide a deterrent. If a woman is mugged in a dark parking lot, the lot owner might be successfully sued for failure to provide adequate security lighting, to deter muggers. If a company prohibits self-defense items on their property, but then fails to provide security officers armed with self-defense items or methods to detect unauthorized carry of weapons, they are not backing up their policies with ethical actions.

That's not entirely set in stone. See the following from a previous thread on the subject:

Not totally directly, but here's one from Pennsylvania in 1984 regarding the responsibility of a property owner to take measures to provide security for defenseless patrons. In this case, it was found that a property owner could assume INCREASED liability in certain circumstances as a result of providing additional security measures. Feld v. Merriam, 485 A. 2d 742 - Pa: Supreme Court 1984
 

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So let me play devil's advocate, if your armed and hit by that bullet are they no longer liable?

In my opinion, if they allow CCW on their property, then you are responsible for your own defense. It may not work that way legally, but ethically it does (IMO).
 

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That's not entirely set in stone. See the following from a previous thread on the subject:

Originally Posted by Veggie Meat
Not totally directly, but here's one from Pennsylvania in 1984 regarding the responsibility of a property owner to take measures to provide security for defenseless patrons. In this case, it was found that a property owner could assume INCREASED liability in certain circumstances as a result of providing additional security measures. Feld v. Merriam, 485 A. 2d 742 - Pa: Supreme Court 1984

So essentially, the property owner could assume increased liability by posting the property as weapons prohibited, as an additional security measure? :)
 

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So essentially, the property owner could assume increased liability by posting the property as weapons prohibited, as an additional security measure? :)

Basically, it said that if a landlord offered additional security measures such as guard patrols, he could be held liable for negligence if the failure of those security measures to work is determined to be one of the proximate causes of injury to a tenant.

Granted, this is not a SCOTUS or Oklahoma case, so it really only directly applies in Pennsylvania, but Courts have been known to reference other states in cases of first impression.
 

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