Ok again mine is gonna be a little different since its in mils but from bottom to top on the elevation it is 2 full turns. And its not mounted yet waiting on a lot of other hardware right now. I shoot at Tri-City off of Hwy 9.
I guess I need to take a look at Tri-City, where is it located and can I get in to check it out or do I need a member with me? I was at OKC Gun Club a couple years but it got old with the shooting I do. Later,
Kirk
Kirk
$1300 will get you a used MOA/MOA NightForce if you watch out for the good deals and snap one up when you find it - hit up the hide's classified section and just sit and wait.
Man this is going to get interesting! the older fella's say a straight 10X with mil-dots, the newer crowd is saying 14X - 15X minimum for your max power and go with an MP8 type reticule but ya know I've not heard a soul say get a Leupold! all I have been reading is pretty much stick with IOR or Nightforce then you have those others that I could not even come close to affording! it looks like whatever I choose it's gonna work, there are all sorts of interesting little extras these days that make it that much easier but the one thing I have heard is whatever you get train with it until it's just habit and you'll be golden! which I kinda already knew that but it's good to hear from others. Funny how many things are out there that try to help you out but it all boils down to get back to basics. I guess it's true you can't purchase experience. Fella's thanks for the help and ideas you have gotten my mind going in a good direction, I'll let ya know what happens. Later,
Kirk
Kirk
Trust me - if you're shooting at beyond 500yds, you want something with a greater than 10x power - I was shooting with 18 power at 600yds and barely able to see my hits on the target - the two guys shooting with me were just a hair ahead of me with their 22x Nightforce optics - none of us could see squat at that distance on 10x (especially if you're looking at a white piece of paper and a black dot in the center of it).
The ML8 vs. Dots - man I've got a mil-dot (enhanced) and a ML8-style with basically a ruler on it and hands down having the various sized lines to measure against is by far better than dots if you're doing any serious range-finding - especially considering that several different manufacturers "mil-dots" are different sized. If you're going to go shoot at Red Castle and will always know which range you're at, you don't even need it, but if you're hunting with it or doing any serious range-finding at unknown distances, you will appreciate all the extra measuring aids.
Leupold has a fairly limited selection of reticles when it comes to long-range and I just don't personally like any of their reticles very much - they make good optics (especially for the budget you're looking at), but again, if you really want to measure against something - this is all they have:
Back in 2000-2001 I shot and shot a lot, ranging targets at unknowns but I was also popping man sized steel plates. I shot a straight 10X mil-dot and had no problem out to 1K but a head shot was 8"x8" if I recall correctly and the 10X was fine for this application, you didn't have to see your hits you could hear them. When I was a member at OKC Gun Club I could see hits on the 500 meter rams with 10X and the poor turkeys on the 400 meter line would have headaches. My only real reasoning for a varibale would be for punching paper and I know my 24X scope on my 223 you can't see holes in paper at 300 but those are little holes also.
I think I'm pretty set on the IOR scope 4-14x50 with the large elevation knob I just wish they were not illuminated I just can't figure that one out! I get 25 MOA of evelvation in one turn so I don't get lost when cranking up or down, the MP8 Dot is pretty much the same as a mil-dot with more accurate readability if that's a word? the reticule is narrow enough that I will like it, might be hard to find a target in low light but many years of shooting beavers at night w/o a light I can normally find center. This scope just looks to be my best bet and fits my budget plus I really like the 25 MOA adjustment knob! Later,
Kirk
I think I'm pretty set on the IOR scope 4-14x50 with the large elevation knob I just wish they were not illuminated I just can't figure that one out! I get 25 MOA of evelvation in one turn so I don't get lost when cranking up or down, the MP8 Dot is pretty much the same as a mil-dot with more accurate readability if that's a word? the reticule is narrow enough that I will like it, might be hard to find a target in low light but many years of shooting beavers at night w/o a light I can normally find center. This scope just looks to be my best bet and fits my budget plus I really like the 25 MOA adjustment knob! Later,
Kirk
Stick with a Nightforce or look at a US Optic-I would stay away from a IOR personally they were having some quality control issues and having drastic turn around times for customers needing work done. Just letting you know.
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