I have a lower end red dot, it was a bear to sight in too, and I still wouldn't call it zeroed. At 25 yards I can keep my shots somewhere in the neighborhood of an 6-8 inch group. Once I used a little loctite(be sure to use the right color :-)) to keep everything in place I had a bit more consistency but I can still shoot TONS better with the open sights than I can with the red dot, I have just accepted that an optic of this quality is meant for quick target acquisition and not for precision accuracy. My riser is a see-thru so I can still use the open sights and that's working out for me so far.