Wisconsin protest, a sign of things to come?

[JB Books]

There are some very bleak days ahead for working families in Oklahoma.

 

[elwoodtrix]

was this pure "talk"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

 

[1shot(bob)]

So I guess its illegal for a doctor to decide what he charges you and oil companies to decide what your gas prices are gonna be . Maybe that contractor that gonna fix your fence otta have a set price he can charge you for the work he is gonna do for you. ever pass a gas station and see that the price is almost the same down the street its called competitive prices . I dont decide what my wages are I get to bargain for them . Ever tried to bargain for your gas prices didnt think so . Remember you get what you pay for.

No. Every business decides what they charge for a product. But when two or more companies get together and decide what they will charge so they can all charge the same (usually at a higher price) they call that 'collusion' and it's illegal.
When employees all get together and do the same thing it's called a union. And if you don't take their deal they not only don't work for you, they will stop everyone else from working for you.

You don't bargain for your wages, the union bosses do. You don't even get to tell them what to bargain for. You collude with others to make that determination.

I bargain for my gas prices every time I buy gas. There is always someone 1 or 2 cents cheaper, or has better gas (i.e. no ethanol). I choose where I buy my gas. Every time. And QT and Love's don't get together to decide what they charge for it.

 

[1shot(bob)]

Collusion is done behind the back and is a close cousin to conspiracy
Nefarious comes to mind.

Negotiating is what unions do.... Offers, counter offers, agreement.

Do you pay sticker price for a car? We call it "making a deal".
If you don't want my deal you find someone who does.

If I don't like the deal the dealership offers I am never afraid they are going to break my legs when I try to leave the lot.

Are you saying behind the back closed door deals never happen with the unions? Are you saying that unions don't conspire against the company to get the best deal they can? As a whole collective type thing? That the employees don't 'collude' on their offers?

I seem to remember it more like . . . . . offers, counter offers, offers, counter offers, strike, threaten people who will take the offer, and sometimes destroy company property, agreement. Not always, but isn't once enough?

 

[1shot(bob)]

Negotiation is the life blood of business. Everybody negotiates all the time. Nothing wrong with employees hiring an agent (union) to do their negotiating.
Even actors have their agents, because an actor's business is to act not to negotiate.
Corporations have entire teams specializing in different types of "deals" including hiring. Why somebody would go and face an expert in hiring or negotiating a raise, when he has no experience and knowledge on how to present the facts in his favor?
You wouldn't want to go to court without JB and his specific knowledge and experience to negotiate for you.

The same reason I don't hire someone to help me negotiate a car deal. I'm mature and intelligent enough to know when I get a good deal and when I don't.
Actors need agents because there is a lot more involved than saying "I get x amount to act in this movie'. It also has to do with money paid in a lot of ways other than simple acting fees, as in royalties, etc.
Court is an entirely different matter. The legal mumbo jumbo involved there does require a specialist in that field.
Getting hired for a job and receiving a fair wage doesn't.

 

[Dale00]

The need for a union comes down to this question: Do you have a boss who wants you to work harder for less money? In the private sector, the answer is yes. In the public sector, the answer is a big, fat NO.

Government unions have nothing in common with private sector unions because they don’t have hostile management on the other side of the bargaining table. To the contrary, the “bosses” of government employees are co-conspirators with them in bilking the taxpayers.

Far from being careful stewards of the taxpayers’ money, politicians are on the same side of the bargaining table as government employees — against the taxpayers, who aren’t allowed to be part of the negotiation. This is why the head of New York’s largest public union in the mid-’70s, Victor Gotbaum, gloated, “We have the ability to elect our own boss.”

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/24/union-fables/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&utm_campaign=79a06aa30a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

 

[elwoodtrix]

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/24/union-fables/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&utm_campaign=79a06aa30a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

by Ann Coulter....

 

[Jefpainthorse]

A friend of mine in WI said if you're a state employee you're forced to pay union dues... can anyone corroborate this?


Also, why would people believe that one half of a conversation is legitimate when the other half has been faked?

In a closed shop state, it's the law...... If you want the negotiating benefit you help pay for it.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

The same reason I don't hire someone to help me negotiate a car deal. I'm mature and intelligent enough to know when I get a good deal and when I don't.
Actors need agents because there is a lot more involved than saying "I get x amount to act in this movie'. It also has to do with money paid in a lot of ways other than simple acting fees, as in royalties, etc.
Court is an entirely different matter. The legal mumbo jumbo involved there does require a specialist in that field.
Getting hired for a job and receiving a fair wage doesn't.

Bob..... Go to work for a major company --- ATT, Boeing, major electric companies.
When your there for 10 years and can't get off nights or Sundays.....you find out seniority sucks- when ya ain't got any.
There is some stuff you cant negotiate on your own, except your own behavior.

 

[LightningCrash]

In a closed shop state, it's the law...... If you want the negotiating benefit you help pay for it.

Wow. Remind me to never move to an oppressive state.