Did yall see this? Shoot or don't shoot?

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Fyrtwuck

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And it's a big reason people don't want to get involved and help each other. A gang of attackers against one. Look what happened to the off duty Okc officer who tried to step in and help someone.
 

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If you shoot you go to jail. The threat wasn't upon you. YOU got YOURSELF involved. I think it's a slam dunk for the bleeding heart liberals. You do jail time, and the thugs get a slap on the wrist.

SAD... I wish it wasn't so, BUT that is the NEW America.
 

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If you shoot you go to jail. The threat wasn't upon you. YOU got YOURSELF involved. I think it's a slam dunk for the bleeding heart liberals. You do jail time, and the thugs get a slap on the wrist.

SAD... I wish it wasn't so, BUT that is the NEW America.

The general rule of thumb is that you inherit the rights of the victim should you choose to intervene. In short, if you were the one on the ground getting the crap beat out of you and you pull your firearm to defend yourself, it's justified. Same could be said if you had intervened in this situation. However there is a caveat in the "inherit the victims rights" routine.

The example was given like this: you pull into a convenience store and see two men with baseball bats chasing a third into an alley. you follow on foot and arrive as the first few swings happen. you intervene on the victims behalf to stop the attack by shooting one assailant. PoPo's arrive and you find out that this "victim" just robbed this convenience store. Looks like you're going to the big house.

In short, if you don't know the ENTIRE circumstances around the violence you're seeing, intervening is a bad idea. For all we know, the chick with the stroller was dealing meth out of it and she got jumped by a group of people she gave fake meth (if that's a thing) to. In that case, you're protecting a drug dealer. justified? probably not.

There are too many factors at play in a scenario like this to warrant intervention, much less use of deadly force. but the thread doesn't have to be "upon you" in order to take action.
 

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The general rule of thumb is that you inherit the rights of the victim should you choose to intervene. In short, if you were the one on the ground getting the crap beat out of you and you pull your firearm to defend yourself, it's justified. Same could be said if you had intervened in this situation. However there is a caveat in the "inherit the victims rights" routine.

The example was given like this: you pull into a convenience store and see two men with baseball bats chasing a third into an alley. you follow on foot and arrive as the first few swings happen. you intervene on the victims behalf to stop the attack by shooting one assailant. PoPo's arrive and you find out that this "victim" just robbed this convenience store. Looks like you're going to the big house.

In short, if you don't know the ENTIRE circumstances around the violence you're seeing, intervening is a bad idea. For all we know, the chick with the stroller was dealing meth out of it and she got jumped by a group of people she gave fake meth (if that's a thing) to. In that case, you're protecting a drug dealer. justified? probably not.

There are too many factors at play in a scenario like this to warrant intervention, much less use of deadly force. but the thread doesn't have to be "upon you" in order to take action.

Yes sir. Well put. I do remember something like that in my SDA class as well. HOWEVER, as you also stated, that without knowing the circumstances in their entirety you ARE placing yourself in a bad place. I still believe that producing a firearm and shooting one or more the assialants is a bad choice and would land you in prison. AGAIN.... Just my .02.
 

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