I do not believe you have to wait until a shot is fired to be in harms way. This is often a fine line of discussion but if someone is pointing a gun at your or anyone you have the right to defend yourself.
I do not believe you have to wait until a shot is fired to be in harms way. This is often a fine line of discussion but if someone is pointing a gun at your or anyone you have the right to defend yourself.
This is the interesting question.
The last thing on my mind with a gun in my face is some BS law. If i was behind the desk and had a gun, im shooting. The lady with the PURSE attack is very lucky she is still with us today. Truth be known i would have won any summer olympics track event once i seen the gun.
What the hell good did that woman think she was gonna do with that purse attack? I realize I'm armchair QB'ing but dang.
Did you see the women in the audience taking time to gather their stuff and walk out totally exposed when a gun fight could have broken out at any minute? Is your paperwork and ugly coat that valuable? The 2 women on the far side hit the deck quick. If he would have wanted to kill people, coat gathering woman would have been dead and crawling woman would probably make it out.
I don't think the guy intended to shoot anybody, it had to be a suicide by cop.
No doubt. Coolest head in the room, and had the most bawls.
That question can't be answered. Nobody knows, each case is different. Who know if charges will be filed, if they will hold up, if you'd win in court? Nobody. Charges are filed and dismissed, charges are not filed, cases are won and cases are lost. Nobdy knows in advance unless it's REALLY clear cut, even then it's not 100%.
That being said, if I'm in a room with a crazed gunman, my 2 options are sneaking the hell out of there or finding something to incapacitate the guy with. Whichever one I think has higher odds of me living. I will not be thinking about laws, I will be thinking of how to get out without being shot.
I guess I'm a coward, because I'd probably do whatever I could to get out of that room witout getting shot. I'd like to think I'd save the day, but it's easier to say on the internet and be certain that's what you'd do when it happens. I don't know. I do know I'd pick the option I thought had the highest odds of me living.
Her bravery didn't do anything but escalate the situation. Calm talking guy did more than she did. She would have been dead if he wanted to kill her. If I had a gun or a 3 foot section of steel pipe, I'd go after the guy. If I had a handbag and no fighting skills, my ass is out of that room ASAP (if no family was in it). Sorry.
Did you see the women in the audience taking time to gather their stuff and walk out totally exposed when a gun fight could have broken out at any minute? Is your paperwork and ugly coat that valuable? The 2 women on the far side hit the deck quick. If he would have wanted to kill people, coat gathering woman would have been dead and crawling woman would probably make it out.
I don't think the guy intended to shoot anybody, it had to be a suicide by cop.
No doubt. Coolest head in the room, and had the most bawls.
That question can't be answered. Nobody knows, each case is different. Who know if charges will be filed, if they will hold up, if you'd win in court? Nobody. Charges are filed and dismissed, charges are not filed, cases are won and cases are lost. Nobdy knows in advance unless it's REALLY clear cut, even then it's not 100%.
That being said, if I'm in a room with a crazed gunman, my 2 options are sneaking the hell out of there or finding something to incapacitate the guy with. Whichever one I think has higher odds of me living. I will not be thinking about laws, I will be thinking of how to get out without being shot.
I guess I'm a coward, because I'd probably do whatever I could to get out of that room witout getting shot. I'd like to think I'd save the day, but it's easier to say on the internet and be certain that's what you'd do when it happens. I don't know. I do know I'd pick the option I thought had the highest odds of me living.
Her bravery didn't do anything but escalate the situation. Calm talking guy did more than she did. She would have been dead if he wanted to kill her. If I had a gun or a 3 foot section of steel pipe, I'd go after the guy. If I had a handbag and no fighting skills, my ass is out of that room ASAP (if no family was in it). Sorry.
The attorney that gave us our CCW training at H&H was presented with a scenario of a gunman holding up a convenience store. I asked, "If I were at the back of the store where the gunman couldn't see me, am I considered in eminent danger?"
He said (paraphrasing) that the moment you see that gun, you are justified in taking him out.
He said (paraphrasing) that the moment you see that gun, you are justified in taking him out.
That would depend on whether the intervening objects are cover, or merely concealment. Bullets are rather indiscriminate.
In the movies, a bag of chips is cover.
In that room, being low to the ground and behind ANY concealment would have made you much less likely to catch a bullet than the women standing upright and gathering coats and paperwork. I don't care if it's a sheet of cardboard, I'd rather be crawling behind it than standing upright in front of it with my arms full of worthless sh*t.
Agreed. Another option would be to sprint out of the room at full speed.
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