Indian Tag, or No Indian Tag?

[nofearfactor]

My tribe doesn't require showing CDIBs any more, we use membership cards.

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[2busy]

Why would you say that? No money to schools, road infrastructure, etc?
You prefer the money to go to individual tribes and be retained by them?
The tribes would evolve into small territories within the state, and what would happen to the rest of the state not on the Rez?

They spend that money on their roads and schools, and the rest of the state is left out?

Because the government hasn't changed from the days that they tried to exterminate the Indians. Why give anymore money to the wasteful government that could care less about anyone other then their selves.

 

[Lurkerinthewoods]

Why would you say that? No money to schools, road infrastructure, etc?
You prefer the money to go to individual tribes and be retained by them?
The tribes would evolve into small territories within the state, and what would happen to the rest of the state not on the Rez?

They spend that money on their roads and schools, and the rest of the state is left out?

You must not be up to date on the money the tribes give to the State for the tags they sell. Granted a few small tribes may keep the money, but the amount of tags they sell would probably amount to a very small percentage of all revenue received.

How has that tag money the State has collected worked out for ya? Schools ranked in the bottom percentage in the nation and probably tied for last place for roads and bridges. Maybe if the people running the schools and ODOT pull their heads out of their ass', people wouldn't mind supporting schools and roads. But with the current systems in place, I will gladly support the Cherokee nation and save a few bucks along the way.

 

[HFS]

Basically... what I'm asking is this: should I expect more encounters with the tag, and would such an increase be significant? I already have the long hair that attracts K-9 units that are set on "full auto hit" mode.

Well, it's your dog's funeral.

 

[henschman]

Why would you say that? No money to schools, road infrastructure, etc?
You prefer the money to go to individual tribes and be retained by them?
The tribes would evolve into small territories within the state, and what would happen to the rest of the state not on the Rez?

They spend that money on their roads and schools, and the rest of the state is left out?

For me it's not about what the tribe would spend the money on vs. the State... it's about the individual having more money left in his pocket, and being able to spend it on things he chooses for himself.

There are a lot of useless, counterproductive, bogus programs and agencies the State gov't could cut if they think they need more funds for schools or roads. I don't plan on putting any kids of mine in gubmint schools anyway, and as for roads... well that is w whole 'nuther discussion. Suffice to say I think they would get built with or without state coercion.

 

[dennishoddy]

You must not be up to date on the money the tribes give to the State for the tags they sell. Granted a few small tribes may keep the money, but the amount of tags they sell would probably amount to a very small percentage of all revenue received.

How has that tag money the State has collected worked out for ya? Schools ranked in the bottom percentage in the nation and probably tied for last place for roads and bridges. Maybe if the people running the schools and ODOT pull their heads out of their ass', people wouldn't mind supporting schools and roads. But with the current systems in place, I will gladly support the Cherokee nation and save a few bucks along the way.

Actually the way it goes, the tribes are required to put some money back into the community from casino revenues. The Osage tribe repaved the road from Ponca to Fairfax, The Ponca Tribe contributed 3/4 of the money to replace the "old river bridge" in Ponca.
The 7 clans paid for paved roads in western Kay county that interesting enough ended up at tribal houses.

So that money should and does go back into the community.

 

[Lurker66]

Actually the way it goes, the tribes are required to put some money back into the community from casino revenues. The Osage tribe repaved the road from Ponca to Fairfax, The Ponca Tribe contributed 3/4 of the money to replace the "old river bridge" in Ponca.
The 7 clans paid for paved roads in western Kay county that interesting enough ended up at tribal houses.

So that money should and does go back into the community.

Thing is this; a tribe is a Sovereign Nation that has either a treaty with the State or Federal govt. Unless that treaty is broken, nobody has a say in how or what they spend money on. Be it tags, cigs, roads or casinos.

No tribe that I'm aware of will issue a tag to anyone that's not a member of that particular tribe. Each tribe has its own "treaty" with the state regarding funds from tag sales. Some may pay more, some less. As far as a Tribe is concerned, they don't give 2 shats what the State does with the money. Spend it on roads or schools, that's none of their business.

 

[nofearfactor]

This is interesting to me. a "white man" .

There are a lot of us mixed bloods these days. My father was a Scot-Irish-Anglo descended Okie farm kid who married my mother, an Osage indian born on the Osage reservation where she still lives today- her father was Osage born on the Osage reservation and an original alottee on the Osage 1906 roll and her mother was Kaw born near Ponca City on Kaw land. I am enough indian blood to be a member in most tribes in the US and by the US govt for federal student loan aid (1/4 and over). Some tribes have no blood quantum requirement like the Cherokee, some require 1/4, the Navaho and a handful of others require you be one half.

 

[RidgeHunter]

My girlfriend had a case of parent absentitis and more or less forgot she was a member until recently. She sent for her replacement card yesterday. I told her I knew if I lived in Oklahoma long enough I'd end up with a white Indian. Guess marriage will sound more appealing next time I buy a car.

 

[nofearfactor]

Some tribes don't even have any more full blood members. The Kaw, a tribe I belong to, their last full blooded member died many years ago. Some day mixed bloods will be the only way for some of the tribes to survive. A tribe like the Cherokee, with hundreds of thousands of members and no blood quantum requirement to be a member other than they have to have had a blood family member on their Dawes Act roll, will probably last forever. The Osage tribe has 13000 members today but there were only 2229 in 1907 when my grandfather was put on their original roll along with his father and siblings. When I go to the health clinics whether it's in Oklahoma or California there are always a lot of ginger indians running around.

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