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Perplexed

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At this point, the key phrase in this (unconstitutional) rule is “make a profit.” For us Joe Blows who buy a firearm, own/shoot it a while, then sell it for less than what we paid for it - in other words, take a financial loss - the (unconstitutional) rule should not apply. IANAL, but that’s how I see this (unconstitutional) rule being implemented.
 

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So who is doing the implementation of the new ruling? ATF does not have the right to legislate. If Congress passes something, that is different. We need more details on who is doing what. Or am I missing something?

Is that darn Chevron Difference case settled yet? or are they going to hold off until after the election?
 

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At this point, the key phrase in this (unconstitutional) rule is “make a profit.” For us Joe Blows who buy a firearm, own/shoot it a while, then sell it for less than what we paid for it - in other words, take a financial loss - the (unconstitutional) rule should not apply. IANAL, but that’s how I see this (unconstitutional) rule being implemented.
Doesn't matter if you make a profit. It's a gateway for them to interject themselves into more of your business.

Losing control of ones own property goes back to 1964/65, and folks really need to understand the ramifications of that. Allowing a non-elected entity to impose "rules" that carry the weight of law is nothing short of disastrous.

We have "nice-guyed" ourselves into a bad spot.
 

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So who is doing the implementation of the new ruling? ATF does not have the right to legislate. If Congress passes something, that is different. We need more details on who is doing what. Or am I missing something?

Is that darn Chevron Difference case settled yet? or are they going to hold off until after the election?
Congress did pass something. Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA) Passed in 2022. This law expanded the definition of “engaging in the business”. If you engage in the business, you need a FFL. The AG said this new rule is in compliance with that law.
That's where the disagreement is. Repubs are saying this new rule change isn’t in the law & Dems say it is. So, wait for the lawsuits.
 
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They don’t have a problem with anyone making a profit. They are just saying you need a FFL if you are selling for a profit-under their new definition of “in the business “.

Edit: IMO this is obviously just the latest example of the Biden (& Obama prior) Admin incrementally expanding the definition of “in the business “ in an attempt to enact De facto universal background checks. Hopefully it will get jammed up in the courts & eventually reversed.
 
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As the cartels and other criminal organizations sit back and dream of the huge profits they'll bring in from an even bigger black market in guns that will go along very well with their already burgeoning narcotics and sex trafficking operations. Meanwhile our 'elected' officials, along with their henchmen, sit back and rub their corrupt, greedy, hands together thinking of the fortunes they'll reap off the kickbacks they'll receive from their latest underhanded and unconstitutional edict.
 
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